2024 GOP primary

[Justafan]

41 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

The NYC Government is elected by NYC people. It will be challenged in court at some point and if enough people have a problem with it they can elect people and change the laws. 

 

What is more harmful, telling people to respect one another or forcing a 12 year old to have their uncle's child? Legit question. I don't see you railing on that shit. 

I'm not railing on it because it was a mistake and was immediately corrected, so there is nothing to rail on. I did say the law they were trying to pass was shit but the whole incest thing was nothing but a gotcha article. 

 

When you're ready to be an adult feel free to come back. 

[IsntLifeFunny]

2 minutes ago, Justafan said:

I'm not railing on it because it was a mistake and was immediately corrected, so there is nothing to rail on. I did say the law they were trying to pass was shit but the whole incest thing was nothing but a gotcha article. 

 

When you're ready to be an adult feel free to come back. 

What are you even talking about? Several states do not have exceptions for rape or incest. 

[Strunk'sDessert]

1 hour ago, Little Earl said:

I think you are dumb as fuck for thinking it is a good idea to treat mental people as normal.

 

"Everyone on the road is driving like an asshole, but not me!"

[Justafan]

2 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

What are you even talking about? Several states do not have exceptions for rape or incest. 

Oh, I thought you were referring to the KY law gaffe that just happened. Of course, I disagree with laws that limit people's ability to self determine especially in regards to unsettled morality issues within the law. Where did you even come up with that? 

[IsntLifeFunny]

1 minute ago, Justafan said:

Oh, I thought you were referring to the KY law gaffe that just happened. Of course, I disagree with laws that limit people's ability to self determine especially in regards to unsettled morality issues within the law. Where did you even come up with that? 

Because you don't discuss it and choose to spend your time equating those laws with trans equality laws as if they're similar. 

[IsntLifeFunny]

But whatever bud, I'm not sure where the disrespect stems from when I never attack you and have defended your positions around here. No worries. You know what I think. 

[Justafan]

1 minute ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

Because you don't discuss it and choose to spend your time equating those laws with trans equality laws as if they're similar. 

I've discussed my opposition to abortion laws here many times. This unsettled law dips into the morality lane and, once again, should defer to individual rights over collective - especially religious- beliefs in a society built on freedom of religion. I'm fine with leaving it up to the states because at least that is supported by the constitution, but I wouldn't want to live in a state that doesn't leave it up to the individual, and if that was my state, I would fight the local laws there with as much vigor as federal laws. 

[Starkiller]

13 minutes ago, Justafan said:

One, because race, gender, and religion are states of being and not a state of belief, and two, because those laws are protecting disenfranchised groups from being discriminated against and not forcing citizens to suspend their belief in biological reality in order to accommodate the desires of others. 

Religions aren’t a state of belief??? Do you think it would be OK for the government to allow Christians to refuse to allow Jews to live by their beliefs?

 

And yes, laws protecting the equal rights of all genders are already on the books. “Biological reality” doesn’t inherently define gender any more than it defines sexual orientation. The whole point is that a minority of people don’t fit the traditional binary gender norm people just assumed was universal. And while you seem fine with the discrimination of that minority, the government's role is to ensure their equal rights.

[IsntLifeFunny]

3 minutes ago, Justafan said:

I've discussed my opposition to abortion laws here many times. This unsettled law dips into the morality lane and, once again, should defer to individual rights over collective - especially religious- beliefs in a society built on freedom of religion. I'm fine with leaving it up to the states because at least that is supported by the constitution, but I wouldn't want to live in a state that doesn't leave it up to the individual, and if that was my state, I would fight the local laws there with as much vigor as federal laws. 

As would I, but yeah if abortion law is now state's rights then thst sure as hell is as well.

[Justafan]

Just now, IsntLifeFunny said:

But whatever bud, I'm not sure where the disrespect stems from when I never attack you and have defended your positions around here. No worries. You know what I think. 

Disrespect? I thought we were just being honest.

[IsntLifeFunny]

2 minutes ago, Justafan said:

Disrespect? I thought we were just being honest.

Calling me childish and blah blah blah yeah it's disrespect. Like I said whatever. 

[Justafan]

4 minutes ago, Starkiller said:

Religions aren’t a state of belief??? Do you think it would be OK for the government to allow Christians to refuse to allow Jews to live by their beliefs?

 

And yes, laws protecting the equal rights of all genders are already on the books. “Biological reality” doesn’t inherently define gender any more than it defines sexual orientation. The whole point is that a minority of people don’t fit the traditional binary gender norm people just assumed was universal. And while you seem fine with the discrimination of that minority, the government's role is to ensure their equal rights.

No. That is accepted law and protected in the constitution. It is absolutely an accepted state of being. These transgender laws are akin to forcing me to bow my head when religious people want to pray to accommodate them. It's not the same thing as forcing me to allow them to practice their religion freely. 

[Justafan]

Just now, IsntLifeFunny said:

Calling me childish and blah blah blah yeah it's disrespect. Like I said whatever. 

Seriously, no disrespect meant but I think you get my point. Or at least I hope so. 

[Justafan]

6 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

As would I, but yeah if abortion law is now state's rights then thst sure as hell is as well.

I don't disagree with that take. I do disagree with the law, but luckily, I can simply choose to live somewhere else. 

[Strunk'sDessert]

2 hours ago, Justafan said:

I'm afraid I have to disagree that a small amount of Democrats are pushing unusual ideological beliefs. I also think the way these facts are presented is intentionally disingenuous to dismiss all conservatives as crazy, which exacerbates the vitriol and contributes to the problems we have in any political discourse. 

 

God dammit, I hate this party, but the sliders were just shitty enough to be addicting. Sue me. 

 

I'm going to try to unpack your sentiment here for my own b understanding of what I think your saying. 

 

Democrats carry the water for some nut jobs (the worst swing between parties, but that's neither here nor there), they spin half truths, they want to be the bastions of civility & morality, which is overly lofty and leads to unnecessary political policing. Lastly, they aren't in anyway less susceptible to the pitfalls of humans. I think we can all mostly agree on these items, but will never agree to what degree or on what scale.

 

I'm not even bringing up equivalencies, but what can be agreed upon for Republicans is that: 

 

1) Trump mowed through Iowa with 51% of the votes in the largest margin of victory ever for the state

 

2) Roughly 2/3rds of those that voted for Trump in Iowa, still believe the election was stolen

 

That's a level that's kind of rare of on basic issues, but unheard of on an issue that is so patently and quickly proven to be false. 

 

Now, it's easy to call them idiots, some of them truly are...see Little Earl.

 

Some of them willfully choose the party over the country because they want the country a "certain way"...fuck them.

 

And then a good chunk are honest people that have been sucked into the media hole of the last 25-30 years and can't understand or accept the fact that they can be this wrong...many friends of mine and my own parents fall into this category, it's probably the largest group in this stratification, amd the most frustrating group.

 

And then others are just in the mood for a good conspiracy or need one to justify the misshappenings in their own life... these people I genuinely feel sorry for, but are probably too far gone. 

 

To your point, they're not all worthless individuals. They may be frustrating because they're the closest to snapping out of this alternate reality x, which is why I think we, myself included, turn to vitriol. "Hey dumbass wake up..!"

 

Respectfully, though, if that ain't it. Fuck this shit, I'm stealing the sliders and exiting out the garage where I'm grab some skunk beer on my way out.