IsntLifeFunny Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, reo said: If they did it quickly, yes. Propaganda is a slower process. They could 100% do it though but it'd take more than just Fox to sell it. The right believes what they're told to believe. I'm not going to keep arguing about it. I'm not saying you're incorrect about the notion of how propaganda works. I will tell you Fox News was just sued and lost 800 million because they made a business choice to keep their viewers from going to Newsmax and OAN. They know their base. You're essentially acting as if the two do not feed off each other. That is where I think you're entirely incorrect. This isn't a unitary system we are discussing. It isn't like Russia or China. If Fox was to move one way then their viewers would also move to so.ewhere else that had not to satiate their belief system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 34 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Hilarious. Four years of investigation and they come away with two acquittals and one guilty plea sent over by the IG. Some perspective on just how bad Durham’s investigation was: the conviction rate of a federal indictment is 95%. But Barr’s boy trounced those odds with his 0 for 2. Compare that to Garland’s guys who brought the infamously difficult to prove sedition charges and have managed to stack more wins than the 1985 Bears. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 9 minutes ago, begooode said: Some perspective on just how bad Durham’s investigation was: the conviction rate of a federal indictment is 95%. But Barr’s boy trounced those odds with his 0 for 2. Compare that to Garland’s guys who brought the infamously difficult to prove sedition charges and have managed to stack more wins than the 1985 Bears. Add that onto to Mueller going 8 for 8. It isn't close. Either they're completely inept hand picked idiots or there was nothing there. I'm going with the latter, but to act as if there's some major conspiracy and this is the result you would at the least have to admit the former if you're being even reasonably logically consistent...I think I may be asking too much lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 Also, notice that Garland did not co-opt Durham’s investigation, trials, or his very public final report. Compare this to Barr’s heavy handed treatment of the investigations connected to Trump, and his bullshit ‘put some stank on it’ portrayals to feed the news cycles. So, seeking to control the narrative here come the Trumpers spinning and wish casting the underwhelming, wasteful Durham report into some kind of exoneration, when it’s the IG report 2.0: flaws occurred, but the full investigation of Trump’s connections to Russia was warranted. Weird that a shady, amoral character with ties to shady wealthy Russians should be investigated because he’s openly playing footsies with them while running for high office. Many are old enough to remember repubs being principled on such a fundamental issue like selling out your fucking country. https://apnews.com/article/durham-justice-trump-russia-8d50b5f7cbff6670afbb2d866f06edb7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 Selling out your country? You mean like the Biden’s and China and Ukraine? You guys call me gullible and subject to propaganda. Take a look in the mirror. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, El Guapo said: Selling out your country? You mean like the Biden’s and China and Ukraine? You guys call me gullible and subject to propaganda. Take a look in the mirror. So specifically how did Biden sell out America to China or Ukraine??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 Nothing to see in the Durham report. Move on to the next conspiracy theory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 26 minutes ago, Starkiller said: So specifically how did Biden sell out America to China or Ukraine??? Let's not forget that Trump threatened to withhold congressionally appropriated funds from Ukraine in an extortion scheme for his political advantage and was impeached for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 25 minutes ago, Starkiller said: So specifically how did Biden sell out America to China or Ukraine??? Seriously? We have poured billions into the war. Is Joe all of a sudden that much of an anti Russian? You mean the guy that Obama told you to wait after the election before his intentions were known? The vice president when the Russians took Crimea with no repercussions? The guy that just amended tariffs on China? The family getting tons of money from those countries? Get real. This guy just plain sucks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, ctm said: Let's not forget that Trump threatened to withhold congressionally appropriated funds from Ukraine in an extortion scheme for his political advantage and was impeached for it. Also Trump allowed China to take over democratic Hong Kong as well as build concentration camps for Uyghurs. He sold us out in both countries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, El Guapo said: Seriously? We have poured billions into the war. Is Joe all of a sudden that much of an anti Russian? You mean the guy that Obama told you to wait after the election before his intentions were known? The vice president when the Russians took Crimea with no repercussions? The guy that just amended tariffs on China? The family getting tons of money from those countries? Get real. This guy just plain sucks. Get real… Supporting a democratic Ukraine (along with the rest of NATO) to defend itself against invasion is selling out America now??? So you must think FDR sold out America by aiding the Allies in WW2? And there were absolutely repercussions from the Obama admin when Russia invaded Crimea. Major sanctions put on Russia. Sanctions that were then abandoned by Trump and the GOP. Meanwhile, Trump and his family members milk tons of material support from both China and Russia (not to mention the Saudis). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strunk'sDessert Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 @El Guapo Cool, you think he sucks. I'm not in love with the guy, most here aren't besides TGO. What are the solutions to Ukraine/Russia and China based on real, current GOP policy efforts? Are GOP legislatures proposing plans that Biden and his Admin are ignoring, besides acquiescing to Russia and other BRICS countries while only drawing a hard line on China? Hear lots of complaints, but not solutions from the right. But maybe I just have my head in the sand - elucidate us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMax Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 11 minutes ago, Strunk'sDessert said: @El Guapo Cool, you think he sucks. I'm not in love with the guy, most here aren't besides TGO. What are the solutions to Ukraine/Russia and China based on real, current GOP policy efforts? Are GOP legislatures proposing plans that Biden and his Admin are ignoring, besides acquiescing to Russia and other BRICS countries while only drawing a hard line on China? Hear lots of complaints, but not solutions from the right. But maybe I just have my head in the sand - elucidate us. Queue the crickets from the right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMax Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 Just now, MadMax said: Queue the crickets from the right. Or if not crickets, it'll be the craziest shit you've heard all day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted May 17, 2023 Report Share Posted May 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Strunk'sDessert said: @El Guapo Cool, you think he sucks. I'm not in love with the guy, most here aren't besides TGO. What are the solutions to Ukraine/Russia and China based on real, current GOP policy efforts? Are GOP legislatures proposing plans that Biden and his Admin are ignoring, besides acquiescing to Russia and other BRICS countries while only drawing a hard line on China? Hear lots of complaints, but not solutions from the right. But maybe I just have my head in the sand - elucidate us. For one, change energy policies. You are directly funding the Russian war by increasing the cost of oil. China has systematically undermined America by having our economies essentially joined at the hip. It has resulted in massive loss of jobs, mostly hurting people that Democrats pretend to care about. The intellectual theft by China is unprecedented. It is absurd to say nothing can be done. But Joe has shown no inclination to do so. Hell, they killed hundreds of millions with faulty lab security and refusal to warn or acknowledge their culpability and Democrats continue to go along with the ostrich approach. I would encourage Japan to return to some semblance of military ability. You know as well as me of the threat posed by China. Russia is a paper tiger that cannot even conquer Ukraine. But it has drawn upwards of 200 billion American funds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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