Vrabel End of Year Presser

[OzTitan]

A weak QB class usually just means there isn't much in the way of a pro-style QB who dominated at a high level in college, like a Burrow or Luck. It's a bit of an archaic viewpoint since those types of QBs are not the only ones making elite QB careers now.

[BudsOilers]

1 hour ago, OzTitan said:

A weak QB class usually just means there isn't much in the way of a pro-style QB who dominated at a high level in college, like a Burrow or Luck. It's a bit of an archaic viewpoint since those types of QBs are not the only ones making elite QB careers now.

 

And the odds of QB's succeeding without accuracy or playing within an NFL offense are nil.  We've literally seen this here with the4 QB's prior to Tannehill. 

 

[Alcibiades]

Lewan's not going anywhere, but he does have some work to do. I'll chalk this year up to his injury last year. He needs to rebuild strength, balance, flexibility, and work on some technique too. But he'll be here next year. I think Julio will too, and I'm really hopeful he'll contribute more. 

[OzTitan]

21 hours ago, BudsOilers said:

 

And the odds of QB's succeeding without accuracy or playing within an NFL offense are nil.  We've literally seen this here with the4 QB's prior to Tannehill. 

 

 

I was more suggesting prospects like Mahomes and Herbert are not usually considered strong, which is fair given you just don't know how they will translate, but obviously they can end up making for a very strong class.

[tgo]

8 minutes ago, OzTitan said:

 

I was more suggesting prospects like Mahomes and Herbert are not usually considered strong, which is fair given you just don't know how they will translate, but obviously they can end up making for a very strong class.

 

OTOH, the Jake Locker/Christian Ponder/Blaine Gabbert draft was pegged correctly as poor. 

[BudsOilers]

2013 was a garbage QB class too and that's the one that most compare to this one.  EJ Manuel, Geno Smith, Matt Barkley, Landry Jones....Woof

[BudsOilers]

13 minutes ago, OzTitan said:

 

I was more suggesting prospects like Mahomes and Herbert are not usually considered strong, which is fair given you just don't know how they will translate, but obviously they can end up making for a very strong class.

 

I think the changes in the college game force the QB evaluations to look at attributes more than in the past.  The spread and the awful college defenses just lend itself to ordinary guys putting up big numbers.  Size, arm strength, ball placement accuracy, throwing into tight windows, ability to process info on the field quickly, decision making all are critical.  The guys that make have most or all of those.  The ones that lack things like ball placement accuracy, ability to process on field quickly inevitably fail.

[NashvilleNinja]

On 1/24/2022 at 8:01 PM, AussieTitanFan08 said:

 

As @oldschoolpointed out

 

3 straight playoff appearances

2 straight division titles 

1 top seed in the AFC

1 AFCCG appearance

 

There are 20+ teams in the NFL that could only dream of that type of 3yr run.

 

I get the frustration with playoff Tannehill but that doesn't detract from the fact the trade to bring him here has been a spectacular success.

 

That "what have you done for me lately" mentality.

[NashvilleNinja]

On 1/25/2022 at 11:49 AM, oldschool said:

 

The real question is whether Jimmy G or Lance starts next year.

 

I am ashamed that I've let these kinds of Kyle-retorts slip from my mind. Fucking little Niner stan that he is.

[NashvilleNinja]

On 1/25/2022 at 2:42 PM, oldschool said:

 

Never said that nor did I say it's easy to resign everyone the team wants to. All I said was it's possible his market is too high.

 

Even if his market is too high and we could sign him cheaper, he might still make it harder to re-sign Simmons after extending AJB too. And if push comes to shove, between Simmons and Landry, who is more important to the front 7? 

It would suck major balls to lose a pass rusher like Landry, but without Simmons soaking up blockers like a sponge does Landry have even close to the number of sacks he had this year? And he only had 3.5 more sacks than Simmons did.

Or would the tag come into play and render this all moot?

[kyle021]

On 1/25/2022 at 12:23 PM, tgo said:

 

We start off at around -9M with the estimated top 51 formula. If you were to cut Rabbit, Lamm, Julio, Saffold, Kern and keep Lewan while restructing Henry and Cunningham - that would give you around 40M. Switch out Kern and Lewan and that brings you up to ~50M. 

 

I think. 

 

But then of course you have to re-sign a lot of your own guys including Landry and Jones and a few others, along with extending AJB. And Julio's money doesn't come free until after June 1 if you designate him as a June 1 cut. 

This is exactly what I would do and concerning Lewan I would trade him for a 2nd if there’s someone willing otherwise I restructure and pay Landry and B. Jones and spend smart in FA like JR did with Autry last year who played like a DT who deserves 16 million a year but we got him for 4 or whatever 

[dcblanton]

On 1/26/2022 at 4:36 PM, BudsOilers said:

 

I think the changes in the college game force the QB evaluations to look at attributes more than in the past.  The spread and the awful college defenses just lend itself to ordinary guys putting up big numbers.  Size, arm strength, ball placement accuracy, throwing into tight windows, ability to process info on the field quickly, decision making all are critical.  The guys that make have most or all of those.  The ones that lack things like ball placement accuracy, ability to process on field quickly inevitably fail.

Interestingly, Andy Reid has said the spread and colleges having thrown the ball more has made it easier to evaluate QB's because they have so many throws on tape and has them more prepared to play in the NFL when they get in the league.

[OzTitan]

7 hours ago, dcblanton said:

Interestingly, Andy Reid has said the spread and colleges having thrown the ball more has made it easier to evaluate QB's because they have so many throws on tape and has them more prepared to play in the NFL when they get in the league.

 

If they're lucky enough not to be drafted to an offense stuck in the 90s, anyway.

[Bulluck4dmvp]

Has Robinson spoke since the end of the season?

[dcblanton]

6 hours ago, OzTitan said:

 

If they're lucky enough not to be drafted to an offense stuck in the 90s, anyway.

Downing is an interesting case in coaching.  He hasn't had significant success anywhere other than when he was Carr's QB coach and Carr had two really good years.  He was PFF's QB coach of the year.  

 

He seemed to be promoted to his level of incompetence when he was the OC at the Raiders.  He landed a job with the Vikings as a senior offensive assistant and then was promoted to TE coach when there offensive line coach died.  (Sparano).  He had Kyle Rudolph.  Not HOF, but not a scrub.  He started all 16 games and only had 634 yards.

 

Then, he gets hired as the TE coach in Tennessee in 2019.  I suppose you could point to Jonnu Smith going from 258 yards to around 440 for the two years that Downing was the TE coach.

 

Jonnu then went to the Pats and only put up 294 yards.

 

Coaches love consistency and continuity, and I completely understand that.  In fact, it is one of the biggest challenges that faces a head coach with a defensive background.  But, I don't know how Downing was qualified to take over the OC job.  

 

And, while I think Tannehill is not an elite, top 5 QB, it is certainly clear that Downing got the least out of him.

 

I am very interested to see what the Titans offense looks like next year.