Chadiha: Anonymous GM on Tannehill

[oldschool]

9 minutes ago, Titans279 said:

 

This is definitely reframing the arguments at the time. No one denied his stats were elite. That was self evident. The question was is he elite? The answer from you and others was that he was, not just that he was playing well in that situation.

 

Huh? He was elite during that span based on performance and all observable metrics. Does that mean he's a HOF QB or should be taken over guys like Watson or other younger guys? Of course not. I really don't get where your disconnect is on this. Saying 2019 and 2020 were elite years doesn't mean he's viewed as an elite QB from a career standpoint.

[tgo]

1 minute ago, oldschool said:

 

Anymore than other non HOF QBs need? Tannehill doesn't need Henry to be good. He needs an OL and Weapons. You are basically calling him a game manager by saying he needs a high level RB. Thats the narrative that deserves to be critiqued.

 

Hmmmmmmm. I think even with a high level pass blocking OL and good receiving weapons like he has had here and in Miami that he would struggle in a traditional drop back passing game without a really high level defense. Just my opinion though. 

 

 

[AussieTitanFan08]

21 minutes ago, tgo said:

I've said the same thing all along: Tannehill needs a strong run game and strong surrounding cast to thrive. 

 

Why were you so anti adding further offensive weapons in the offseason then?

[oldschool]

15 minutes ago, Jamalisms said:

 

The majority of football analysts, former players, former GMs, former coaches, current players and the Titans organization itself are stupid but here at Titan's Report we have the true paragons of football insight.

 

Here at TR, we have a former high school varsity player, armed with bad stats from the internet to remind us that Tannehill is the MVP of the team ... just so long as the team carries him.

 

Lucky us.

 

The majority also think playaction success is predicated on rushing success. How is that working out for you? 

[BudsOilers]

1 minute ago, Jamalisms said:

People who argued Tannehill is the MVP:

"Well, yeah. Duh. This is hardly even analysis. It's so common sense I don't know why you shared."

 

Me, who always said Tannehill is good, not great:

"This is pretty harsh at times, but ... well, I guess. Yeah."

 

... it's almost like people are running away from their extreme takes on how great the guy was. So much so that they can't even be bothered to note the harshness of the quote.

 

 

Wrong.  People argued Tannehill was the most important player on the team.  It very clearly is the case.  They've won games without the running game being effective (w/ and w/o Henry).  They've yet to win a game where Tannehill has either played or produced poorly - note the distinction because some of the production issues are not on the QB.

 

And honestly, anyone arguing otherwise doesn't understand the NFL. 

 

 

[Jamalisms]

Just now, oldschool said:

The majority also think playaction success is predicated on rushing success. How is that working out for you? 

 

I'm sure the average expert in the NFL would disagree with a number of things I think. In those cases, I don't tend to take a stance that their wrongness is tacitly obvious and only an idiot with no knowledge of football would agree with them.

 

How about you?

[Titans279]

Just now, BudsOilers said:

 

Wrong.  People argued Tannehill was the most important player on the team.  It very clearly is the case.  They've won games without the running game being effective (w/ and w/o Henry).  They've yet to win a game where Tannehill has either played or produced poorly - note the distinction because some of the production issues are not on the QB.

 

And honestly, anyone arguing otherwise doesn't understand the NFL.

 

This is true because QB is the most important position and the drop off from QB1 to QB2 is huge on almost every roster. Has nothing to do with Tannehill being elite.

[oldschool]

1 minute ago, Jamalisms said:

 

I'm sure the average expert in the NFL would disagree with a number of things I think. In those cases, I don't tend to take a stance that their wrongness is tacitly obvious and only an idiot with no knowledge of football would agree with them.

 

How about you?

 

The vast majority of analysis is as poor as yours is. I'm selective in the content I consume and sometimes it challenges my perception. What I don't subscribe to is anonymous GM quotes and shit from ESPN.

[oldschool]

1 minute ago, Titans279 said:

 

This is true because QB is the most important position and the drop off from QB1 to QB2 is huge on almost every roster. Has nothing to do with Tannehill being elite.

 

Again who is calling 2021 Tannehill elite? Name them. 

[OzTitan]

2 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

 

Wrong.  People argued Tannehill was the most important player on the team.  It very clearly is the case.  They've won games without the running game being effective (w/ and w/o Henry).  They've yet to win a game where Tannehill has either played or produced poorly - note the distinction because some of the production issues are not on the QB.

 

And honestly, anyone arguing otherwise doesn't understand the NFL. 

 

 

 

I honestly don't know how anyone can argue against this. I mean, technically no one is - I've yet to see a coherent argument against it. Just dumb ass laughing reactions and pot shots with slightly related but actually irrelevant opinion pieces to support an agenda that they're too stupid to realize is not actually related to the point. It's okay to have a wrong opinion but the doubling down is what amazes me.

[BudsOilers]

1 minute ago, Titans279 said:

 

This is true because QB is the most important position and the drop off from QB1 to QB2 is huge on almost every roster. Has nothing to do with Tannehill being elite.

 

And where did I say it did?  The discussion I referenced very clearly had people saying Tannehill was the most important player on the team.  Meanwhile, you had others talking about Henry being the best player on the team (debatable) or in one case, the best player in football (laughable)

[tgo]

11 minutes ago, AussieTitanFan08 said:

 

Why were you so anti adding further offensive weapons in the offseason then?

 

? 

 

I picked them to draft Elijah Moore in the first round. I also supported adding Julio, just didn't think they would pull the trigger. 

 

They also added a starting number 2 WR from a prolific similarly styled passing offense (Reynolds) in FA, which I supported. 

 

I also repeatedly said they should have done more at TE all offseason at every step of the way. Also I thought they'd go receiver in one of the first three rounds, although Robinson opted for a different direction knowing he would pursue Julio. 

 

It all really boils down to having a juggernaut run game to rely on though, imo and a good defense. When you don't have an elite QB. 

 

It's crazy to me that you think I was against adding offensive weapons in the offseason. The priority was just to fix the god awful defense. 

[WG53]

32 minutes ago, oldschool said:

 

Lol come on. No one thinks Tannehill is the messiah and no one here doesn't appreciate Henry. Why you and others have to make this binary is the root of the issue. 

You mean no one other than Joel. He'll probably be the only one that would disagree with the article

[oldschool]

2 minutes ago, tgo said:

 

? 

 

I picked them to draft Elijah Moore in the first round. I also supported adding Julio, just didn't think they would pull the trigger. 

 

They also added a starting number 2 WR from a prolific similarly styled passing offense (Reynolds) in FA, which I supported. 

 

I also repeatedly said they should have done more at TE all offseason at every step of the way. 

 

It all really boils down to having a juggernaut run game to rely on though, imo. When you don't have an elite QB. 

 

So your take is every QB in the NFL not named Rogers, Mahomes, and Murray needs a juggernaut run game? 

[OzTitan]

5 minutes ago, Titans279 said:

 

This is true because QB is the most important position and the drop off from QB1 to QB2 is huge on almost every roster. Has nothing to do with Tannehill being elite.

 

I'm not sure being "elite" is even the point, but he performed at an elite level for a sustained period while being the most important player on the team during that period. Those are just facts. If you want to arrive at a pre-determined conclusion then you'll probably find the ammo for that one way or another.

 

The NFL moves fast, Tannehill may never throw for multiple TDs in a game again, who knows what the future holds.