tgo Posted June 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, headhunter said: It's honestly a pipe dream. The internal combustion engine isn't going anywhere that is silly. I guess you haven't really paid attention to the 10 year business plans of Ford or GM eh? The internal combustion engine is going bye-bye - only a matter of time. Edited June 23, 2022 by tgo Jerry Blair, and pamo9 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, tgo said: It's hyperbolic but pretty funny. Its stupid and this is exactly the dumb shit Democrats do that pisses people off. Hardly anyone has actually read the ruling or read an analysis of the ruling. This is where our media apparatus lets us down. The root of the issue is that NY uses the term "may" instead of "shall" issue a permit if all criteria has been met. DC has similar languge in its law. The legal argument is that the use of "may" allows the State to deny a legal request for a permit on discretionary grounds even if the applicant is in good standing and has met all the requirements. States that have similar laws but have "shall" issue language with clear requirements won't be affected at all. Basically all NY has to do modify the law to use "shall" and the conceal and carry law will go back into affect. Edited June 23, 2022 by oldschool tgo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted June 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, oldschool said: Its stupid and this is exactly the dumb shit Democrats do that pisses people off. Hardly anyone has actually read the ruling or read an analysis of the ruling. The root of the issue is that NY uses the term "may" instead of "shall" issue a permit if all criteria has been met. DC has similar languge in its law. The legal argument is that the use of "may" allows the State to deny a legal request for a permit on the discretionary grounds even if the applicant is in good standing and met all the requirements. States that have similar laws but have "shall" issue language with clear requirements won't be affected at all. Basically all NY has to do modify the law and the conceal and carry law will go back into affect. Tim Miller is a Republican. Noted on your synopsis though, I haven't even paid attention to this case at all - been more focused on the Miranda Rights case which I'm kind of torn on. Maybe just a case of bad timing in terms of the NY ruling in the current environment and people just running with narratives. Edited June 23, 2022 by tgo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 minute ago, tgo said: Tim Miller is a Republican. Noted on your synopsis though, I haven't even paid attention to this case at all - been more focused on the Miranda Rights case which I'm kind of torn on. Maybe just a case of bad timing in terms of the NY ruling in the current environment and people just running with narratives. Yeah the Miranda one is a way bigger deal that has now been overshadowed by the gun ruling which is a shame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 30 minutes ago, tgo said: I guess you haven't really paid attention to the 10 year business plans of Ford or GM eh? The internal combustion engine is going bye-bye - only a matter of time. How about rest of the world? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted June 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, headhunter said: How about rest of the world? Well the developing world and third world will of course continue to have gas/oil engines for a long while. Western democracies are advancing beyond it though and their economies are already adjusting accordingly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, tgo said: Well the developing world and third world will of course continue to have gas/oil engines for a long while. Western democracies are advancing beyond it though and their economies are already adjusting accordingly. What about small engines like boats, lawn mowers, chainsaws? What about heavy equipment? What about aircraft ? Military? Generators? Edited June 23, 2022 by headhunter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted June 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 minute ago, headhunter said: What about small engines like boats, lawn mowers, chainsaws? What about heavy equipment? What about aircraft ? Military? 2 cycle engines are worse for the environment than cars. My chainsaw is electric and my neighbors both have electric lawn mowers (I'm getting one after mine goes out). Boats could just as easily be electric probably, but that's kind of a luxury problem. I couldn't say on aircraft as I haven't studied it - but I would assume they'd continue to run on jet fuel for the time being. Navy already has nuclear powered subs and carriers, could expand that to other ships. And US ground forces are already moving to electric APCs, etc. Obviously tanks aren't going to be electric powered anytime soon. Military and aircraft will still need to use jet fuel and diesel for a good long while most likely. But there is zero reason why the American consumer shouldn't begin shifting to electric as all these new American models are coming out left and right. And a few years down the road - there will be some used ones that the average Joe can afford - like a used F150 Lightning or a used Chevy Bolt or Mustang Mach-E or whatever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, tgo said: 2 cycle engines are worse for the environment than cars. My chainsaw is electric and my neighbors both have electric lawn mowers (I'm getting one after mine goes out). Boats could just as easily be electric probably, but that's kind of a luxury problem. I couldn't say on aircraft as I haven't studied it - but I would assume they'd continue to run on jet fuel for the time being. Navy already has nuclear powered subs and carriers, could expand that to other ships. And US ground forces are already moving to electric APCs, etc. Obviously tanks aren't going to be electric powered anytime soon. Military and aircraft will still need to use jet fuel and diesel for a good long while most likely. But there is zero reason why the American consumer shouldn't begin shifting to electric as all these new American models are coming out left and right. And a few years down the road - there will be some used ones that the average Joe can afford - like a used F150 Lightning or a used Chevy Bolt or Mustang Mach-E or whatever. How big is your yard? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted June 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, headhunter said: How big is your yard? Small haha, people with bigger yards or fields to deal with or lawn businesses or whatever can keep using their two cycle mowers or diesel tractors or zero turns or whatever until we have electric versions! Point being, electric the direction everything is going in the future, in some cases sooner rather than later. And it's going to get cheaper too as the technology advances just like with everything else in the history of American consumerism. Edited June 23, 2022 by tgo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 minute ago, tgo said: Small haha, people with bigger yards or lawn businesses can keep using their two cycle mowers or diesel tractors or zero turns or whatever until we have electric versions! Point being, that's the direction everything is going. And it's going to get cheaper too as the technology advances just like with everything else in the history of American consumerism. Thing is everything isn't going to that, maybe for people with more of an urban lifestyle. The combustion engine will never go away, to say it will completely is ridiculous. And for me I'm very curious how charging will effect our daily lives. You think cop cars, ambulances and firetrucks will all be electric too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, headhunter said: Thing is everything isn't going to that, maybe for people with more of an urban lifestyle. The combustion engine will never go away, to say it will completely is ridiculous. And for me I'm very curious how charging will effect our daily lives. You think cop cars, ambulances and firetrucks will all be electric too? Dude it is all going electric eventually. I would guess that combustion engines in cars will be banned in the next 25 years in all major western countries. The EU are already talking about a blanket ban from 2035 for fossil fuel powered cars. Here in Ireland, petrol and diesel cars will be banned from 2030 And pretty much all 2022 police cars you see on the road here are electric Edited June 23, 2022 by IrishTitansFan tgo, Jerry Blair, and Starkiller 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 Just now, IrishTitansFan said: Dude it is all going electric eventually. in the next 20 years I would guess that combustion engines in cars will be banned in the next 25 years. The EU are already talking about a blanket ban from 2035 for fossil fuel powered cars. Here in Ireland, petrol and diesel cars will be banned from 2030 And pretty much all 2022 police cars you see on the road here are electric And people wonder why gas prices are high Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted June 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, headhunter said: Thing is everything isn't going to that, maybe for people with more of an urban lifestyle. The combustion engine will never go away, to say it will completely is ridiculous. And for me I'm very curious how charging will effect our daily lives. You think cop cars, ambulances and firetrucks will all be electric too? For sure, one day in the future they will be. Probably not in the next decade in America though. Edited June 23, 2022 by tgo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, IrishTitansFan said: Dude it is all going electric eventually. in the next 20 years I would guess that combustion engines in cars will be banned in the next 25 years. The EU are already talking about a blanket ban from 2035 for fossil fuel powered cars. Here in Ireland, petrol and diesel cars will be banned from 2030 And pretty much all 2022 police cars you see on the road here are electric Lol at comparing Ireland to the US Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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