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7 minutes ago, tgo said:

Bleh.

Honestly, it's for the best. Our defense has been noticeably better when he was not on the field. Question is why? Does his style create a cascading effect on the defense where people just freelance to try to compensate for his freelancing? 

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17 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

It hurts him more than the Titans......

 

His dreams of a big contract are completely gone

 

Titans defense has been better without him 

Yeah he bet on himself this year and completely lost, he will be lucky to get $8-10m a year after this. 

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45 minutes ago, Supdawg said:

Honestly, it's for the best. Our defense has been noticeably better when he was not on the field. Question is why? Does his style create a cascading effect on the defense where people just freelance to try to compensate for his freelancing? 


The short answer is yes. I never realized he was such a freelancer. As in, I didn’t realize that by “chess piece” that meant he just does whatever he wants in terms of technique and rush lanes.
 

He vacates gaps and causes the whole line and front 7 to lose gap integrity at times. And what kind of message does it send to the rest of the defense to tell the other guys to do their job and don’t vacate their position but this other guy can do whatever he wants each play. 

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4 minutes ago, tgo said:


The short answer is yes. I never realized he was such a freelancer. As in, I didn’t realize that by “chess piece” that meant he just does whatever he wants in terms of technique and rush lanes.
 

He vacates gaps and causes the whole line and front 7 to lose gap integrity at times. And what kind of message does it send to the rest of the defense to tell the other guys to do their job and don’t vacate their position but this other guy can do whatever he wants each play. 

 

I don't recall him freelancing like he did with the Titans in the past. He was a great player who caused nightmare matchups and made others around him better. The Titans didn't get that Clowney and its puzzling considering the connection to Vrabel and Bowen while all three were with the Texans. It was the right move, just didn't work out. 

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I hate to say it, but Robinson’s best moves this year were by accident in some sense - in-season moves of getting Breon Borders onto the PS mid season and acquiring Desmond King due to sheer desperation.

 

And then getting UDFA Teair Tart. You also have to give it to him for having a deep rotation of tackles (but also to Arthur Smith for successfully mitigating these lower tier guys, OCs can rarely do this). 

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34 minutes ago, tgo said:

I hate to say it, but Robinson’s best moves this year were by accident in some sense - in-season moves of getting Breon Borders onto the PS mid season and acquiring Desmond King due to sheer desperation.

 

And then getting UDFA Teair Tart. You also have to give it to him for having a deep rotation of tackles (but also to Arthur Smith for successfully mitigating these lower tier guys, OCs can rarely do this). 

 

This happens sometimes when you go after big names for a superbowl run.  The good thing  is that the Beasley and Clowney deals were short 1 year deals. Robinson swung for the fences and struck out but he didn't cripple the team beyond 2020. I'll give him a pass for going all in to fix an anemic pass rush. 

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9 minutes ago, tgo said:

I hate to say it, but Robinson’s best moves this year were by accident in some sense - in-season moves of getting Breon Borders onto the PS mid season and acquiring Desmond King due to sheer desperation.

 

And then getting UDFA Teair Tart. You also have to give it to him for having a deep rotation of tackles (but also to Arthur Smith for successfully mitigating these lower tier guys, OCs can rarely do this). 

The defense is improved by the play of Borders, King, Long and Tart.  Also by the subtraction of J. Joseph.

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Whatever Clowney was doing and how he was doing it...and how we were using him, he just didn’t fit and really could not contribute much in a high capacity.

The dude has a high motor and can put pressure on, but he didn’t finish.
He also didn’t contain well...which I thought was his strength m, but I saw him over pursue too often. In a conference where we have a handful of athletic  QB’s ( Lamar Jackson, Mahomes, Watson,etc) that’s not helpful.


It could have been different if we had a real top notch edge rusher opposite him, but we didn’t. We had Landry and Beasley.


If he came back this year, he wouldn’t have helped. We need something else. We need pure edge speed. That’s not him.

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33 minutes ago, tgo said:

I hate to say it, but Robinson’s best moves this year were by accident in some sense - in-season moves of getting Breon Borders onto the PS mid season and acquiring Desmond King due to sheer desperation.

 

And then getting UDFA Teair Tart. You also have to give it to him for having a deep rotation of tackles (but also to Arthur Smith for successfully mitigating these lower tier guys, OCs can rarely do this). 

Where was Borders before he got to Tennessee?

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