T-RAC Posted November 4, 2020 Report Share Posted November 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Little Earl said: Abortion is murder. Why isn't punching a lady in the belly with the intent to cause miscarriage treated as such? 3 minutes ago, Little Earl said: Homosexuality is called an abomination in the Bible. How do you feel about shrimp? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted November 4, 2020 Report Share Posted November 4, 2020 43 minutes ago, Little Earl said: Sure there are a lot of sins. They are fall under the two greatest commandments.....love the Lord your God with all your heart, strength, soul and mind; and to love your neighbor. But to think every sin is equal is pure nonsense. Sins like murder and rape are far worse than most other other sins. In fact @Number9would be all uptight if the Republicans stood for murder for any reason (which he should). Abortion is murder. So yeah, we find it wholly offensive and wrong. Everything points to life beginning at conception, so we believe it is murder to kill an unborn child. Homosexuality is called an abomination in the Bible. So @Binkyou have no idea what you are talking about. It is biblically wrong, and as I have pointed out, destructive behavior, despite your refusal to accept facts. Adultery is clearly wrong, incredibly selfish act. I think there should be more consequences for people choosing to do so. Pretty sure rape isn't on the list as being too terrible. ... There are sins, sins against death, and sins of blasphemy. All are forgiven except sins of blasphemy. Your gay marriage one is the same level as cursing about your neighbor. Yet you choose it because someone told you to do they can manipulate you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Earl Posted November 4, 2020 Report Share Posted November 4, 2020 2 hours ago, titanruss said: Pretty sure rape isn't on the list as being too terrible. ... There are sins, sins against death, and sins of blasphemy. All are forgiven except sins of blasphemy. Your gay marriage one is the same level as cursing about your neighbor. Yet you choose it because someone told you to do they can manipulate you. Ummm no. Sodom and Gomorrah destruction, Israel wiping out the majority of the tribe of Benjamin. Both were cases involving homosexuality, and was dealt with harshly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted November 4, 2020 Report Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Little Earl said: Ummm no. Sodom and Gomorrah destruction, Israel wiping out the majority of the tribe of Benjamin. Both were cases involving homosexuality, and was dealt with harshly. Study harder. The view of most Jewish people and Jewish scholars - the people whose ancestry the story was about that have been studying it for 6,000 years - is that this story is not about homosexuality. More modern Christian scholars are starting to agree and both deduce that the main sin of both stories was not protecting your visitors better than you would your family. Poor Hospitality.. one of the most hated things in the eyes of God. Ezekial talks about it in the Old Testament as well (Ezekiel 16:49) where he says "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy." where is the mention of buttfucking in the life-lesson?.. the Sin is lack of hospitality and/or not helping the poor when they are so rich. To avoid Evangelical logic of picking and choosing when to follow the Old Testament.... Jesus himself (Matthew 10:14–15) said this about S&G : If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave that house or town. Truly I tell you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town. Also, Other than being two very similar stories... I'm not sure where you'd ever get the idea that the tribe of Benjamin was slaughtered because of Homosexuality. Zero homo sex happens or is really even cared for. They surrounded a mans house who took in visitors and raped the visitors wife until dead. Look, I don't doubt that rampant raping homosexuality and perversions of sex are sins according to the Bible. It's just such a weird thing to hang your hat on. To sway your entire political ideology. Because.. in the end... it matters to your life exactly zero. And if your fear is that this will inevitably lead to entire cities of anal sex raping marauder's roaming the lands in butt rape parties, then the country is fucked regardless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted November 4, 2020 Report Share Posted November 4, 2020 8 hours ago, Little Earl said: Adultery is clearly wrong, incredibly selfish act. I think there should be more consequences for people choosing to do so. There are consequences for that. It's called alimony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted November 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 I will allow @Little Earl to be against abortion. The problem comes when the same people are against child services for the live babies. They are against extra help for single mothers in our own country. They are against equal pay for mothers. They are against healthcare for mothers to be. They are against better schools for the children that are born. The list goes on and own, and these sins are greater than the sin of abortion. *They care nothing about the sanctity of life because they take no stand against the murder of innocent women and children. The Southern Baptist didn't speak against the bombing of Vietnamese women and children. The evannies spoke not one word about estimates as high as 100,000 women and children killed in Iraq. It's alright to not like abortion. I don't either. What's wrong is making it a part of politics and allowing hateful people to take services from the poor just because they say they are against abortion. The spiritual reason for being against abortion was never meant to be coupled with mistreatment and neglect of the born. The christian who plays like he doesn't see the suffering of others doesn't please God, it's only for him to please himself. Trump is snatching born babies from mothers and placing them in cages. How many of the sanctity of life people are trying to stop that from happening? Some things just do not add up. *https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/where-is-outcry-over-children-killed-by-u-s-led-forces/ *https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iraq-air-raids-hit-mostly-women-and-children-1669282.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 13 hours ago, Little Earl said: They are fall under the two greatest commandments.....love the Lord your God with all your heart, strength, soul and mind; and to love your neighbor. Adultery is clearly wrong, incredibly selfish act. I think there should be more consequences for people choosing to do so. Its so wild to me how you can use these two trains of thought in the same argument. Love God, Love your neighbor, forgive and forget.... but STRIKE DOWN THE MOTHAFUCKERS WHEN THEY SIN!!! PUNISH THEM AND MAKE THEM PAY. Jesus didn't walk around telling people how to punish, he walked around telling people how to love. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 13 hours ago, Little Earl said: Sure there are a lot of sins. They are fall under the two greatest commandments.....love the Lord your God with all your heart, strength, soul and mind; and to love your neighbor. But to think every sin is equal is pure nonsense. Sins like murder and rape are far worse than most other other sins. In fact @Number9would be all uptight if the Republicans stood for murder for any reason (which he should). Abortion is murder. So yeah, we find it wholly offensive and wrong. Everything points to life beginning at conception, so we believe it is murder to kill an unborn child. Homosexuality is called an abomination in the Bible. So @Binkyou have no idea what you are talking about. It is biblically wrong, and as I have pointed out, destructive behavior, despite your refusal to accept facts. Adultery is clearly wrong, incredibly selfish act. I think there should be more consequences for people choosing to do so. Yay or nay on the death penalty? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLinks Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 On 11/3/2020 at 7:46 PM, Number9 said: Men wrote the Bible, as well as all the other Bibles, i.e. The Quran, The Sutras, The Vedas, The Tamud... In just about all of them women are not permitted to lead people. Many of these books advocate things that are detestable to 2020 man. The Bible was edited by King James in 1611. The original bible was written and rewritten during a thousand year period prior to 165 B.C. The New Testament was written in the first century AD. They voted on which books would be included in the New Testament. Some of the excluded books were much more tolerant of people. Remember, Jesus didn't write anything down. He did write one line in the dirt. Power. The most powerful men of the faith wrote the Bible, as well as all the other religious books. Order. Order needed to be established among men. The Bibles were law books. If @Little Earl committed adultery, not God, but men would kill him and his gal. Same holds true with all these other laws. In Somalia and other countries women go door to door cutting the genitals of girls.* The most brutal punishments in the Bible are enacted upon the people with the least power and women. Slavery is acceptable in the Bible. Why do we today oppose slavery? A black man had anal sex with another man according to the Bible. During slavery, people in this country used the Bible to justify it. Today, evannies are using the Bible to justify voting for the most immoral man to ever be president. Muslims after reading the Quran blow up children, women and men then yell, God is Great! God is good. If you get still and earnestly wait, God will help you with your life. Your life. It's not about somebody with a collection plate telling you how to live, how to think. *https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/female-genital-mutilation Don’t forget the Council of Niece in 1319, which is when the Catholic Church in France decided which books of the Bible were to be excluded, decisions that last to this very day. Which is to reinforce that the Bible has been written, edited and shaped by man since it came into being. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLinks Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 On 11/3/2020 at 7:46 PM, Number9 said: Men wrote the Bible, as well as all the other Bibles, i.e. The Quran, The Sutras, The Vedas, The Tamud... In just about all of them women are not permitted to lead people. Many of these books advocate things that are detestable to 2020 man. The Bible was edited by King James in 1611. The original bible was written and rewritten during a thousand year period prior to 165 B.C. The New Testament was written in the first century AD. They voted on which books would be included in the New Testament. Some of the excluded books were much more tolerant of people. Remember, Jesus didn't write anything down. He did write one line in the dirt. Power. The most powerful men of the faith wrote the Bible, as well as all the other religious books. Order. Order needed to be established among men. The Bibles were law books. If @Little Earl committed adultery, not God, but men would kill him and his gal. Same holds true with all these other laws. In Somalia and other countries women go door to door cutting the genitals of girls.* The most brutal punishments in the Bible are enacted upon the people with the least power and women. Slavery is acceptable in the Bible. Why do we today oppose slavery? A black man had anal sex with another man according to the Bible. During slavery, people in this country used the Bible to justify it. Today, evannies are using the Bible to justify voting for the most immoral man to ever be president. Muslims after reading the Quran blow up children, women and men then yell, God is Great! God is good. If you get still and earnestly wait, God will help you with your life. Your life. It's not about somebody with a collection plate telling you how to live, how to think. *https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/female-genital-mutilation Duplicate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted November 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, GLinks said: Don’t forget the Council of Niece in 1319, which is when the Catholic Church in France decided which books of the Bible were to be excluded, decisions that last to this very day. Which is to reinforce that the Bible has been written, edited and shaped by man since it came into being. I was trying to find that and couldn't right away so I didn't mention it. God's Holy Book, edited by men to shape what they wanted. It was 325 AD.* Most Christians don't want to know about the Bible and any irregularities. They live under the fear teaching of the old church with the God who loves you so much he knows every hair on your head, but this same God will let the Devil have your soul to torture for all eternity for sin(s) you committed in a lifetime. You have more compassion for your own children. They scare people so bad, they are afraid to ask God to tell them if it's true. "Be Still and Know." The Bible says take care of Widows and Orphans. Look at all the homeless people in America. Most of them have mental problems. They used to be kept in mental institutions, but Reagan closed them all up. For decades now, small towns around major cities round these people up, take them to the nearest big city and just dump them out. These are the wonderful Christian Right of rural America. No matter how cruel the leader is according to their Bible, they vote for him because he says he's against abortion. *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea#Effects_of_the_Council Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Earl Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 6 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Yay or nay on the death penalty? An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Punishment for heinous sins with death are biblical and not murder. The death penalty is allowed but not mandated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 You guys are trying to reason with a guy who believes there is a magic sky daddy fighting an evil magical demon and if you do what the one wants you get to go to a magical place where everyone gets along (how would that even be possible without complete loss of free will?) or if you do what the other wants, you get to burn in agony for eternity (over react much?). Oh, and that argument seems perfectly logical to him. Stop wasting your time fellas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Little Earl said: An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Punishment for heinous sins with death are biblical and not murder. The death penalty is allowed but not mandated. You can almost always count on Christians to be hypocrites who don’t understand their own religion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Little Earl said: An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Punishment for heinous sins with death are biblical and not murder. The death penalty is allowed but not mandated. I didn't realize you were Jewish! Edit: To be clear, I'm only pointing out that the normal Christian teachings are that these laws were superseded by the golden rule ie "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". I don't actually know how a rabbi would treat the passage above, so I'm taking back my comment a bit. It's more about not being Christian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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