Harvey_Specter Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 Arden Key is the best DE in another good class of DE's. He has had some slight off the field issues, but on the field he is your long, wiry, freaky athletic edge rusher type. He looked good at OLB in Aranda's defense last year, so i'm expecting him to have another big year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XAEA12 Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, TitanLegend said: Williamson has been one of if not the best run stuffing ILB in the NFL over the past couple seasons, he's not going to be pushed to the bench. Woodyard is a somewhat worse version of Williamson. If Brown pushes anyone to the bench it'd be Woodyard. What's most likely is he pushes no one to the bench and is just the nickel ILB. Brown hasn't proven much of anything yet other than he can cover 2nd and 3rd team tight ends in the preseason, he's done nothing of note in run defense. His coverage abilities are promising but people talking about how he's going to push either one of Williamson or Woodyard to the bench just based off what he's doing vs 2nd and 3rd string offensive players is hilarious. I never mentioned his replacing Williamson. You are really over rating Williamson though, he's good but calling him the best run defending LB in the league is ridiculously homeristic language. I don't believe in Brown because of the camp he's having, I believe in him because I saw his tape and interviews. Our ILB is arguably our weakest starting group Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanLegend Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 14 minutes ago, JNew said: I never mentioned his replacing Williamson. You are really over rating Williamson though, he's good but calling him the best run defending LB in the league is ridiculously homeristic language. I don't believe in Brown because of the camp he's having, I believe in him because I saw his tape and interviews. Our ILB is arguably our weakest starting group Williamson led NFL ILBs in run stop %(12.3%, next highest was Chicago's Freeman, with 11.8%. Willamson had 35 run stops on the 284 rush snaps he played) last year, missed the 5th fewest amount of tackles(2, tied for 5th with Woodyard) and had the lowest number of missed tackles among those in the top 10 in run stop %. There's nothing homeristic about Williamson's excellence in run defense. Woodyard was 21st among ILBs with 8.3%. Run stops, BTW, are plays where the offense lost yardage on the rushing attempt. His 35 total run stops tied for 6th most in the NFL, and the players above him had 193, 111, 141, 144, 22 more run defense snaps than him respectively, in order from most to least run stuffs. The guy who only had 22 more run snaps played was Freeman, the guy who finished 2nd to Williamson in %. So yes, Williamson is one of, if not the best run stuffing ILB in football. You have a low opinion of him because of his lack of coverage ability. Which would not be nearly as noticeable if we paired him with someone who could actually cover TEs, but alas, we don't. Maybe Brown becomes that guy, but the point is if he does, he's replacing Woodyard, he's not replacing Williamson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanLegend Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 Lel posted this in wrong thread. Need a delete button for shit like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleEye Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 2 hours ago, TitanLegend said: Williamson has been one of if not the best run stuffing ILB in the NFL over the past couple seasons, he's not going to be pushed to the bench For this exaggeration, I would push him to the bench...far end of the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanLegend Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 Just now, 8MM said: For this exaggeration, I would push him to the bench...far end of the bench. Except as I quite clearly proved, it's not an exaggeration. No one stuffed runs at a higher rate among ILBs last year, and he rarely ever misses a tackle. But because all anyone cares about on this forum is covering tight ends he's looked at as bad or average all around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleEye Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 If remembered correctly, there were very few tackles for losses. Most of what I saw was tackles for gains and sometimes, significant ones. So I don't know how he got that high of "run stops". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanLegend Posted August 25, 2017 Report Share Posted August 25, 2017 23 minutes ago, 8MM said: If remembered correctly, there were very few tackles for losses. Most of what I saw was tackles for gains and sometimes, significant ones. So I don't know how he got that high of "run stops". Because of selective memory. No one cares to remember when he stops a RB for a loss of one or two, but when he gets beat over the middle in coverage everyone remembers it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huston Posted August 26, 2017 Report Share Posted August 26, 2017 Titans Film Room did a thread on Avery, good stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted August 26, 2017 Report Share Posted August 26, 2017 I bet Brown plays more snaps than Woodyard and Williamson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
japan Posted August 26, 2017 Report Share Posted August 26, 2017 1 minute ago, OILERMAN said: I bet Brown plays more snaps than Woodyard and Williamson Let's hope Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huston Posted August 26, 2017 Report Share Posted August 26, 2017 Maybe if you count special teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted August 26, 2017 Report Share Posted August 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, Huston said: Maybe if you count special teams. I'm talking about just defense. Brown is playing in the nickel and dime defenses, teams typically play nickel 65+% of the time or more. As a whole the entire league played 3 WRs or more more 70% of the snaps over the season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huston Posted August 26, 2017 Report Share Posted August 26, 2017 5 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: I'm talking about just defense. Brown is playing in the nickel and dime defenses, teams typically play nickel 65+% of the time or more. As a whole the entire league played 3 WRs or more more 70% of the snaps over the season I wonder how many snaps Spence got then, he was the main nickel backer right, plus they played a lot of 3 safety looks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted August 26, 2017 Report Share Posted August 26, 2017 5 minutes ago, Huston said: I wonder how many snaps Spence got then, he was the main nickel backer right, plus they played a lot of 3 safety looks. They mixed and matched so much last year I'm not sure that would be a good comparison. Stafford also played a lot of nickel LB. They also played Woodyard more as the nickel LB later in the year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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