Titanstattoo25 Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Shocked there is no thread on this. PK and the mid day 180 interviewed former DL coach Jim Washburn today. Maybe not quite as good as last week but still an excellent interviews with some great knowledge. https://audioboom.com/posts/6082663-jim-washburn-with-the-midday-180 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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heyitsmeallen Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 I'll have to listen to it when I have time. Thanks for posting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 "when his heart was still in it.........." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Surprised by how humble Washburn comes across Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKE75 Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 There was a part where he said the players weren't trying to read the defense they just played and attacked and that sparked a lot of big plays. I agree that if coaches get to analytical and technical the players will be thinking too much and not making many plays but nowhere is that more true than with offenses. That can cause a lot of miscommunication and broken plays between QB and WR because they aren't on the same page. Loved the part about him having dinner with Suh and Haynesworth. I knew as soon as Detroit drafted Suh that they were about to be competitive again and make postseason appearances. To be honest as much as folks talk about teams like Cleveland and Detroit having hard luck from 2007 through 2010 Detroit had some really good first round draft picks 2007--WR Calvin Johnson,2008--T Gosder Cherilus,2009--QB Matt Stafford,2010--DT Ndamukong Suh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 I always had a feeling him & Starks didn't see eye to eye. Something just didn't click with Starks here. Dude looked like he was going to be a monster his rookie year & then regressed & played like a pro bowler as soon as he left. But other than Starks Washburn got awesome results out of almost everybody, he was a great coach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Also, the more football I watch as I get older, the more convinced I am that the system of defense we used under Fisher, Schwartz, and Washburn is best, all things being equal. It may be bland, and like most other fans I remember screaming for more blitzing back in those days, especially with all the exotic offshoots of the 3-4 around the league. But after seeing how much better Schwartz's defenses have been before & after Buffalo & now Philly, which played heavy blitzing 3-4's & what Rod Marinelli is getting out of an average at absolute best Dallas defensive roster, more than ever I'm convinced that simple, 1 gap, 4-3, heavy zone defenses are the way to go. Bill Polian had a chapter about this in his book, he claims cover 2 type D's are cheaper & easier to field. You can find late rd defensive ends & move them to DT, LB's to DE, corners to safety, etc. It's easier to find players. Plus the simplicity of the scheme allows rookies to contribute early. Also, when you run a complex, exotic scheme you need to devote a lot of practice to getting the system down, reducing time spent on the basics like tackling, getting off blocks, etc. The complexity of the playbook leads to a lot of breakdowns, leading to easy scores. Lastly, the quickest way to blow up a play is pressure up the middle, those DT's are closest to the QB. If they get thru, plays over. Unfortunately in these complex schemes these guys are usually 2 gapping, tying up blockers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle021 Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 53 minutes ago, Face said: Also, the more football I watch as I get older, the more convinced I am that the system of defense we used under Fisher, Schwartz, and Washburn is best, all things being equal. It may be bland, and like most other fans I remember screaming for more blitzing back in those days, especially with all the exotic offshoots of the 3-4 around the league. But after seeing how much better Schwartz's defenses have been before & after Buffalo & now Philly, which played heavy blitzing 3-4's & what Rod Marinelli is getting out of an average at absolute best Dallas defensive roster, more than ever I'm convinced that simple, 1 gap, 4-3, heavy zone defenses are the way to go. Bill Polian had a chapter about this in his book, he claims cover 2 type D's are cheaper & easier to field. You can find late rd defensive ends & move them to DT, LB's to DE, corners to safety, etc. It's easier to find players. Plus the simplicity of the scheme allows rookies to contribute early. Also, when you run a complex, exotic scheme you need to devote a lot of practice to getting the system down, reducing time spent on the basics like tackling, getting off blocks, etc. The complexity of the playbook leads to a lot of breakdowns, leading to easy scores. Lastly, the quickest way to blow up a play is pressure up the middle, those DT's are closest to the QB. If they get thru, plays over. Unfortunately in these complex schemes these guys are usually 2 gapping, tying up blockers. I miss 4-3 Orakpo, Casey, Dodd, Morgan would be a beast of a DL we would have a speedy WLB in Brown, solid ILB in Williamson and a need at SLB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Face said: Also, the more football I watch as I get older, the more convinced I am that the system of defense we used under Fisher, Schwartz, and Washburn is best, all things being equal. It may be bland, and like most other fans I remember screaming for more blitzing back in those days, especially with all the exotic offshoots of the 3-4 around the league. But after seeing how much better Schwartz's defenses have been before & after Buffalo & now Philly, which played heavy blitzing 3-4's & what Rod Marinelli is getting out of an average at absolute best Dallas defensive roster, more than ever I'm convinced that simple, 1 gap, 4-3, heavy zone defenses are the way to go. I've been saying it for years. Nothing beats getting pressure with 4 people. You have to stop big plays and when the defenders can face the QB they get more turnovers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 2 hours ago, Face said: I always had a feeling him & Starks didn't see eye to eye. His talk about Kearse wasn't too flattering either, wasted career Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somedude Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 If Kearse stayed here and stayed healthy he would have a spot reserved at Canton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieTitanFan08 Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 have been reports quite a few teams switching to more man concepts and away from zone defense, the thought is it is better against the dink/dunk quick release offenses who run short routes and feast on the holes in zone defenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 36 minutes ago, AussieTitanFan08 said: have been reports quite a few teams switching to more man concepts and away from zone defense, the thought is it is better against the dink/dunk quick release offenses who run short routes and feast on the holes in zone defenses. While this is true, you also make them work their way up the field. A lot of good zone CB's key on these short routes and later make a jump on the ball. There are weaknesses in every defensive scheme. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 49 minutes ago, AussieTitanFan08 said: have been reports quite a few teams switching to more man concepts and away from zone defense, the thought is it is better against the dink/dunk quick release offenses who run short routes and feast on the holes in zone defenses. Exactly.... I was going to post this. Offenses, more specifically QBs like Brady are getting the ball out do fast that you almost have to run some kind of man concept to disrupt the WRs/passing game. But the defenses are so complex now they can actually run some man concepts with zone behind them. A good example is the Denver AFC title win over the Pats 2 years ago. Phillips only rushed 3 and 4 but he played man in the short areas and disrupted Brady's quick passing attack. But that all started with their ability to pressure Brady with 3 and 4 people. This with Phillips who typically blitzed more than anyone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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