Given Offseason Investment at WR, Does Offense Change More Than Anticipated?

[IsntLifeFunny]

3 minutes ago, Huston said:

I doubt this, you become way to predictable in a 3 wide set. They will just be more effective when the do go three wide.

How are you predictable when all 3 of your receivers are interchangeable, your TE can split out as well as your backs, and everyone on the field is a capable and willing run blocker? That's the opposite of predictable. 

 

Im not saying we are going to become a 3 wide base, but it will be a huge waste of asserts if we don't use it more often.

[Face]

5 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

This is exactly why we will see a lot more 3 WR sets. You aren't losing a ton of blocking acumen putting in Decker over Supernaw, but you are forcing out a LB or creating a mismatch. 

Exactly. It's not like this is suddenly a finesse team if we use a lot more 3 wide, we're still going to run the ball down people's throats.

Mularkey & Robiskie both clearly share a similar philosophy of power running to set up the deep ball, and this isn't changing just because we play more 3 wide sets.

 

[Face]

8 minutes ago, socaltitan said:

When you have backs as good as Murray and Henry and our OL, it'd be foolish not to run the ball. It's about finding the right balance of pass and run. We want to be a team that can beat you both ways.

The improvement in Romo's game in 2014, when the Dallas OL & running game was dominant, was incredible. He just exploded. He completed 70% of his passes, leading the league, as well as leading in TD%, yards per attempt, and rating.

Theres a false narrative that great QB's don't really need a running game. Sure, some QB'a can carry any offense but there's no question a great running game helps ANY QB.

[socaltitan]

Most of Matt Ryan's big plays came under center. I think that's what we'd like to do. I don't like the Pats examples on offense. I don't see that as the direction.

 

[Number9]

29 minutes ago, Face said:

The improvement in Romo's game in 2014, when the Dallas OL & running game was dominant, was incredible. He just exploded. He completed 70% of his passes, leading the league, as well as leading in TD%, yards per attempt, and rating.

Theres a false narrative that great QB's don't really need a running game. Sure, some QB'a can carry any offense but there's no question a great running game helps ANY QB.

You are correct.  You have to have a running game.  Tom Brady can beat you without handing the ball off, but that's because if he hands it to a Blount he's going to get big yardage if unaccounted for.  If needed he could take over games.  In the Titans case, they are fielding a top five run game.  There's no question they will run the ball a lot.

[Huston]

1 hour ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

How are you predictable when all 3 of your receivers are interchangeable, your TE can split out as well as your backs, and everyone on the field is a capable and willing run blocker? That's the opposite of predictable. 

 

Im not saying we are going to become a 3 wide base, but it will be a huge waste of asserts if we don't use it more often.

I'm speaking in general that type of offense is more predictable and easier to defend, I do think we will use it more but I'm willing to bet the increase of 3 wide sets wont surpass more then 10%. We will be more efficient in 3 wide now, easier third and long and redzone.

[IsntLifeFunny]

2 minutes ago, Huston said:

I'm speaking in general that type of offense is more predictable and easier to defend, I do think we will use it more but I'm willing to bet the increase of 3 wide sets wont surpass more then 10%. We will be more efficient in 3 wide now, easier third and long and redzone.

It's only easier to defend when you lose a lot on the blocking side. I don't think that will be the case. Both backs are adept at running single back. We'll just have to wait and see.

[freakingeek]

11 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

Davis, Taylor, Smith, Matthews in year two with Delanie Walker already, even Murray in the passing game. That's really some serious fire power

We've also heard a lot of praise out of OTAs about D Henry looking much faster and catching the well out of the backfield, not just just short stuff, but 40 yards down the field. We have some serious weapons this season.

[Denali]

11 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

Davis, Taylor, Smith, Matthews in year two with Delanie Walker already, even Murray in the passing game. That's really some serious fire power

After yesterday's signing, after having already seen our draft earlier this year, there was a collective "OH FUCK" coming from the offices of the GMs for the Jaguars, Colts, and Texans.  I swear I heard it last night - kind of like an explosion at a large oil refinery that you can hear from thousands of miles away.

[freakingeek]

1 hour ago, Face said:

The improvement in Romo's game in 2014, when the Dallas OL & running game was dominant, was incredible. He just exploded. He completed 70% of his passes, leading the league, as well as leading in TD%, yards per attempt, and rating.

Theres a false narrative that great QB's don't really need a running game. Sure, some QB'a can carry any offense but there's no question a great running game helps ANY QB.

If defenses have to respect the running game, it opens up areas down the field. It really stresses the D especially with an accurate QB.

[AussieTitanFan08]

 

[titanruss]

5 hours ago, big2033 said:

From the inception of "exotic smashmouth" I said it was an offense that would expand into a more balanced attack as our skill positions/QB dictated. So yes there will be a shift:

Check my message from 2016:

yeah thats all good mate. you brought nothing to the table.. everyone knew that shit. 

the problem was the delay of about 4 weeks progressing last season. they altered the offense, got rid of some shitty plays,  then and things improved. i believe you said at the time it was because of kendall wright!! haha.. then they attempted to reincorporate the shit plays from the first 4 weeks towards the end of the year and we got destroyed by a terrible jaguars team. 

"oh hey when we get more pass weapons we will change to a more passing offense" no joke??? 

 

 

 

[titanruss]

5 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

How are you predictable when all 3 of your receivers are interchangeable, your TE can split out as well as your backs, and everyone on the field is a capable and willing run blocker? That's the opposite of predictable. 

 

Im not saying we are going to become a 3 wide base, but it will be a huge waste of asserts if we don't use it more often.

oh.. we'll find a way to waste it. at least for a while...

they do the season in quarters. so even if something isnt working in game 1 quarter 1... we'll need to wait until game 5 before its really fixed. 

[titanruss]

5 hours ago, Face said:

Exactly. It's not like this is suddenly a finesse team if we use a lot more 3 wide, we're still going to run the ball down people's throats.

Mularkey & Robiskie both clearly share a similar philosophy of power running to set up the deep ball, and this isn't changing just because we play more 3 wide sets.

 

we never use a FB anyhow. all we are really talking about is a swap of 1 WR for 1TE. 

delanie and jonnu can both play the H-back role, and decker and davis block very well. 

[IsntLifeFunny]

43 minutes ago, titanruss said:

oh.. we'll find a way to waste it. at least for a while...

they do the season in quarters. so even if something isnt working in game 1 quarter 1... we'll need to wait until game 5 before its really fixed. 

Have a little faith man. I hated the hire, more than most on the board. I railed against it. If we make it to the playoffs then we are a team no one wants to face, and having a true identity of being brawlers goes with what teams will fear in the winter. If we give up some short term explosion to fine tune a team that can hurt people when it's four degrees outside then so be it. 

Mularkey has been handed the most talented team he's ever coached. He's being evaluated. If MM stays healthy and we don't win the south then he's on the hotseat. If he does win it then he's doing his job. He's in that group with most coaches, but he's awful at challenges and in game adjustments while obviously being a huge positive on the culture change. The team has bought in, but if he doesn't show results in the next couple years then don't think Robinson won't make a power play. We are in a good place right now. Enjoy it man. It's been a long time since things have looked up.