Deja Vu

[h4t]

Its been alluded to at times on TR, but I'm surprised no one is really taking it seriously.  2017 is really a carbon copy of 2016.  If you look at the facts, the draft picture becomes much clearer.  Everyone here is so caught up in the mental masturbation of the draft, that they are ignoring the facts. 

2016:  the biggest need was RT with RB a secondary need and WR a tertiary need.  What did JRob do?  He went out and got a top RB(Murray)  and a good WR(Matthews) and completely ignored RT in free agency.  When day 1  arrived what did he do?  he did everything possible to get the RT he had targeted all along--Conklin.

2017:  The biggest need by far is WR with defensive backfield a high secondary need.  What does JRob do?  He signs 2 good DBs(Ryan and Cyprien) and totally ignores WR.  I don't think there is any question that on day 1 the first player selected will be a WR.  The only mystery is which one.  I think that Ross =Tunsil(due to injury issues), Davis=Decker(a good but not great player).  I think that Williams=Conklin, the player JRob has targeted all along.

I would bet money on this scenario, with the only caveat being that I could have the order wrong.  The only way this doesn't happen is if JRob takes a fantastic trade down offer that puts all the wr out of reach, though I wouldn't put it past him to then trade back up like he did in 2016.

[socaltitan]

Well stated. I think there's little doubt we're drafting one of those WR. Just a matter of where, who, and in what order.

My hunch that I'm sticking to is JR wants to trade down from 5, get the 2 back, and he'll target one of the WR

[Stan17]

Nah, your just hoping for Williams, just like I'm hoping its not.  The only thing he adds to this offense is height and jump ball ability.  We need someone that can stretch the field and open up underneath passes and the running game.  5 is way too high for Ross Imo.  Davis is the best of both worlds, has height and speed.  Runs good routes as well.  Would be beyond upset if we pick Williams at 5 or 18.

[SirLanceALot]

1 minute ago, Stan17 said:

Nah, your just hoping for Williams, just like I'm hoping its not.  The only thing he adds to this offense is height and jump ball ability.  We need someone that can stretch the field and open up underneath passes and the running game.  5 is way too high for Ross Imo.  Davis is the best of both worlds, has height and speed.  Runs good routes as well.  Would be beyond upset if we pick Williams at 5 or 18.

Whatever WR JRob picks is what I'll be ok with. This isn't Ruston Webster putting our team together anymore. I trust 100% what this guy is doing. 

[Huston]

1 minute ago, socaltitan said:

Well stated. I think there's little doubt we're drafting one of those WR. Just a matter of where, who, and in what order.

My hunch that I'm sticking to is JR wants to trade down from 5, get the 2 back, and he'll target one of the WR

There's plenty of doubt, none of these WR are as clean as Conklin and add in the bust factor of first round WR's.
 

[socaltitan]

10 minutes ago, Huston said:

There's plenty of doubt, none of these WR are as clean as Conklin and add in the bust factor of first round WR's.
 

I think you're letting your personal biases cloud you in this case. You don't like these WR. I don't want to go WR either, but I'm trying to look at this objectively. It's pretty clear the Titans are telegraphing a WR move.

That's part of what the OP is saying. Instead of paying to what you want, pay attention to the facts. Look at what the Titans are doing and what it suggests they'll do

[Jonboy]

4 minutes ago, Huston said:

There's plenty of doubt, none of these WR are as clean as Conklin and add in the bust factor of first round WR's.
 

Conklin was hardly "clean" last year though. There were plenty of reports out there who didn't love him and/or thought he would struggle in pass protection.

If anything though, Davis would the closest equivalent to Conklin, imo.

[socaltitan]

Some people thought Conklin would be a G

[Dmeade-]

15 minutes ago, h4t said:

Its been alluded to at times on TR, but I'm surprised no one is really taking it seriously.  2017 is really a carbon copy of 2016.  If you look at the facts, the draft picture becomes much clearer.  Everyone here is so caught up in the mental masturbation of the draft, that they are ignoring the facts. 

2016:  the biggest need was RT with RB a secondary need and WR a tertiary need.  What did JRob do?  He went out and got a top RB(Murray)  and a good WR(Matthews) and completely ignored RT in free agency.  When day 1  arrived what did he do?  he did everything possible to get the RT he had targeted all along--Conklin.

2017:  The biggest need by far is WR with defensive backfield a high secondary need.  What does JRob do?  He signs 2 good DBs(Ryan and Cyprien) and totally ignores WR.  I don't think there is any question that on day 1 the first player selected will be a WR.  The only mystery is which one.  I think that Ross =Tunsil(due to injury issues), Davis=Decker(a good but not great player).  I think that Williams=Conklin, the player JRob has targeted all along.

I would bet money on this scenario, with the only caveat being that I could have the order wrong.  The only way this doesn't happen is if JRob takes a fantastic trade down offer that puts all the wr out of reach, though I wouldn't put it past him to then trade back up like he did in 2016.

Great post. I have been thinking along these lines as well. I wouldn't be shocked at all if we here William's name called at 5 on Thursday night.

[charleytolar]

Going old school here but Williams reminds me of a bigger Charlie Taylor of the Redskin OverTheHillGang. Ross is "Bullet" Bob Hayes and Corey Davis is John Stallworth but a bit bigger and stronger. 

We would benefit greatly from any of them. 1-5 seems to rich and 1-18 seems too late, so we gotta do something.

[CaliTitan3518]

6 minutes ago, Jonboy said:

Conklin was hardly "clean" last year though. There were plenty of reports out there who didn't love him and/or thought he would struggle in pass protection.

If anything though, Davis would the closest equivalent to Conklin, imo.

Ya I don't see how Williams is equal to Conklin more than Davis would be. I obviously prefer Davis because he can be used in so many more ways than Williams and Ross. All have a chance at being good and they all have a chance at being busts. It will be a risky pick to an extent either way. I just don't know where we will draft any of them. I feel 5 is too early and I worry none of them will make it to 18. I would expect us to target a WR in rounds 3-5 as well. 

[siamesedinasour]

19 minutes ago, h4t said:

Its been alluded to at times on TR, but I'm surprised no one is really taking it seriously.  2017 is really a carbon copy of 2016.  If you look at the facts, the draft picture becomes much clearer.  Everyone here is so caught up in the mental masturbation of the draft, that they are ignoring the facts. 

2016:  the biggest need was RT with RB a secondary need and WR a tertiary need.  What did JRob do?  He went out and got a top RB(Murray)  and a good WR(Matthews) and completely ignored RT in free agency.  When day 1  arrived what did he do?  he did everything possible to get the RT he had targeted all along--Conklin.

2017:  The biggest need by far is WR with defensive backfield a high secondary need.  What does JRob do?  He signs 2 good DBs(Ryan and Cyprien) and totally ignores WR.  I don't think there is any question that on day 1 the first player selected will be a WR.  The only mystery is which one.  I think that Ross =Tunsil(due to injury issues), Davis=Decker(a good but not great player).  I think that Williams=Conklin, the player JRob has targeted all along.

I would bet money on this scenario, with the only caveat being that I could have the order wrong.  The only way this doesn't happen is if JRob takes a fantastic trade down offer that puts all the wr out of reach, though I wouldn't put it past him to then trade back up like he did in 2016.

Help me out. Basically, the only commonality I see is that in both offseasons, we didn't address one of our top-3 needs in free agency. What is another parallel? That we did address other team needs? 

[CaliTitan3518]

2 minutes ago, JakePA_Titan said:

Is that the only thing Bryant adds to Dallas as well?

Their draft year measurables are very comparable. Saying Dez would add nothing to this team is foolish.

Williams isn't Dez though. Sure he could become him but let's not act like Williams steps on the field and instantly becomes dez. 

[socaltitan]

3 minutes ago, siamesedinasour said:

Help me out. Basically, the only commonality I see is that in both offseasons, we didn't address one of our top-3 needs in free agency. What is another parallel? That we did address other team needs? 

Telegraphing. They were extremely quiet on FA OT last year. Not linked to anybody because JR was targeting OT there. We're similarly quiet on FA WR this year. Good chance for the same reason.

[siamesedinasour]

1 minute ago, socaltitan said:

Telegraphing. They were extremely quiet on FA OT last year. Not linked to anybody because JR was targeting OT there. We're similarly quiet on FA WR this year. Good chance for the same reason.

I can see there's a "good chance" we draft a WR in the 1st round, but there are too many things at play for J-Rob to have entered free agency knowing that we're drafting a WR at 5.