Florio comments on Titans offense this AM

[oldschool]

Again no one is claiming the Titans are running the wishbone nor is anyone claiming the Titans should forget the run game and run a college spread offense. 

[big2033]

It's kind of dumb to be worried about of running the ball significantly more when we ranked 28th in attempts. 

[Cyrus]

Just now, Jamalisms said:

Then, serious question, why cite a guy with super low pass attempts as an example of passing often enough?

27.8 is nothing. It might be 32nd on average. What was the point of citing it?

Because I was looking for a reference point for Mike Mularkey and on an absolute, rather than relative basis, 28 pass attempts per game average is a lot for a quarterback as bad as Gabbert.

Serious question, if you were the Jacksonville coach in 2012, how many pass attempts would you want Gabbert to have per game? Over or Under 28 P/A?

[Face]

2 hours ago, Jamalisms said:

Sounds about right. Which is the wrong approach.

I'd be shocked if Mularkey said that, though. He seems to fight the all-run impression every chance he can.

I'll be pissed if they run Mariota much. That's worse than trying to grind out a run game decades after it's wise. Scrambling on broken plays is different.

How do you know it's the wrong approach? We won't know that until the season starts. What if Murray & Henry are combining for 30 carries a game at 5.5 yards a pop, Marcus is averaging 5-6 carries a game at 7 a pop, and the team is top 5 in scoring, TOP, and bottom 5 in TO. Will it still be the wrong approach then?

[Alcibiades]

I hope we run a lot more than we throw. That will mean we are winning games. 

Mularkey does what he thinks is best to win games. Preseason stats mean nothing, because winning isn't the goal of preseason games. So, if we are about 50//50 in preseason, it tells us nothing. Even when you are down in preseason, you might continue to call plays as if it were zero zero, just to see everyone play. It's about reps and evaluation. That's it. 

[Jamalisms]

24 minutes ago, Cyrus said:

Serious question, if you were the Jacksonville coach in 2012, how many pass attempts would you want Gabbert to have per game? Over or Under 28 P/A?

Gabbert? Want? Zero. But when losing like that team did, want is irrelevant and need takes over. 27.8 is low in that instance. As it is in every instance. It was even low for that team in that year.

I'm not trying to be combative, I just don't see how the example makes sense. So, if Mularkey has a bad QB on a bad team... really low (NFL low) passing attempts. If that's not the point... I don't get it and/or I don't think you're right on where it fits in the actual passing stats across the league.

[freakingeek]

43 minutes ago, TitanDuckFan said:

For the most part I regard it as a form of an idiom, or slang or just a lazy contraction, expressed without the *apostrophe.  Much like gotta, gotcha, etc. 

Is it proper?  Nope.  Does it matter?  Not really. 

Should it drive one crazy?  IMO, only if they're teaching Middle School English.

YMMV

 

*Speaking of which, the appropriate and correct use of the apostrophe is what grammar Nazis should be up in arms about.  Its correct usage has become lost in modern text.

One should use the apostrophe when writing, so it reads as if you were actually SAYING the words. If people had to read their own posts out loud, they wouldn't use run on sentences and forget to use apostrophes.

[dkennedy0422]

Mularkey as a head coach, hasn't had a QB as good as Marcus since Drew Bledsoe in Buffalo, where he went 9-7. Also, the fact in year 2, the way Marcus is running the no-huddle and making adjustments/calling plays at the line of scrimmage, is just badass.

[Superhorn]

28 minutes ago, Jamalisms said:

Four teams had fewer than 30 att/gm last year.

Two in 2014.

Three in 2013.

At least worth pointing out who those teams were:

2013:  Seahawks (NFL Champs).  49ers (Lost in NFC Championship), Panthers (lost to 49ers in divisional round)

2014:  Seahawks (NFC Champs).  Cowboys (12-4, lost in divisional round of playoffs).

2015:  Chiefs (Lost in divisional round of playoffs), Rams (7-9), Bills (8-8), Vikings (11-5, lost in wildcard round)

So...8 teams.  6 went to playoffs.  Only one was below .500 (and only 1 game below .500 at that).

There's the obvious issue of causality here.  Teams that are winning late in games pass less.  

For this reason, I think 2012 isn't a useful data point for Mularkey.  Jags were 11th in passing attempts that year.  And, I'm certain Mularkey wishes it were lower than that.  There isn't a coach in this league that wants to be near the top 10 in passing attempts with 2012 Blaine Gabbert.

Actions speak louder than words.  Mularkey has shown both historically, and in the preseason, that he wants to run the ball on early downs from heavy formations.  He's also shown that he likes shotgun/passing concepts on passing downs.  This includes the no huddle (which he ran with frequency in Atlanta), and run pass options (which he showed last year and multiple times this preseason).

[Jamalisms]

3 minutes ago, Superhorn said:

There's the obvious issue of causality here. 

Yes there is.

But I'd rather a discussion on how that fits, as I think it's what he's going for, instead of a discussion which insists he's not going to try and run heavy.... or, worse, both simultaneously.

[Superhorn]

Just now, Jamalisms said:

Yes there is.

Then why use arbitrary statistics?

For what it's worth:

You say Gabbert's pass attempts were low.  But, he played like dog shit and got benched.  I wouldn't pass with him in the game either.  Henne took over and averaged 39.5 attempts/game.  

In total, the Jags were 11th in the NFL in total pass attempts.

[socaltitan]

9 minutes ago, Superhorn said:

At least worth pointing out who those teams were:

2013:  Seahawks (NFL Champs).  49ers (Lost in NFC Championship), Panthers (lost to 49ers in divisional round)

2014:  Seahawks (NFC Champs).  Cowboys (12-4, lost in divisional round of playoffs).

2015:  Chiefs (Lost in divisional round of playoffs), Rams (7-9), Bills (8-8), Vikings (11-5, lost in wildcard round)

So...8 teams.  6 went to playoffs.  Only one was below .500 (and only 1 game below .500 at that).

There's the obvious issue of causality here.  Teams that are winning late in games pass less.  

For this reason, I think 2012 isn't a useful data point for Mularkey.  Jags were 11th in passing attempts that year.  And, I'm certain Mularkey wishes it were lower than that.  There isn't a coach in this league that wants to be near the top 10 in passing attempts with 2012 Blaine Gabbert.

Actions speak louder than words.  Mularkey has shown both historically, and in the preseason, that he wants to run the ball on early downs from heavy formations.  He's also shown that he likes shotgun/passing concepts on passing downs.  This includes the no huddle (which he ran with frequency in Atlanta), and run pass options (which he showed last year and multiple times this preseason).

Stop using logic, evidence, and reasoning. It's too much for this MB 

[Jamalisms]

12 minutes ago, Superhorn said:

Then why use arbitrary statistics?

For what it's worth:

You say Gabbert's pass attempts were low.  But, he played like dog shit and got benched.  I wouldn't pass with him in the game either.  Henne took over and averaged 39.5 attempts/game.  

In total, the Jags were 11th in the NFL in total pass attempts.

That was the point. Why cite Gabbert at all? Marcus isn't Gabbert. What does it indicate if Gabbert had really low pass attempts?

[Jamalisms]

Soxcat gonna Soxcat.

[Superhorn]

6 minutes ago, Jamalisms said:

That was the point. Why cite Gabbert at all? Marcus isn't Gabbert. What does it indicate?

Absolutely nothing.  (Unrelated:  That phrase will always remind me of Wheel of Fish from UHF.)

I've said all along that the Jax season tells us nothing about Mularkey's philosophy.  A team with talent level that low will not reveal what a coach wants to do because there's never an opportunity to dictate offensively.

When has Mularkey combated the idea that he wants to be a run first team?  That's pretty much all I've seen him say, "that he wants to be smashmouth, physical, etc."  Has he said otherwise?