jon robinson - amateur hour?

[MamlngEnvy]

Worst thing they did was fire whiz. If whiz don't get fired Mularkey's coaching tight ends somewhere, shoot maybe here. 

[NashvilleNinja]

Just now, Jamalisms said:

What is the worst thing the team has done, in your opinion, in the last 365/6 days?

Not firing Webster and Whisenhunt sooner?

[NashvilleNinja]

@Jamalisms, I am with you regarding how they handled the coaching hire. The process was a total farce and the resulting optics from it was horrible. I GET that it makes JR look bad or look like a pushover. Or rather... it made him look bad at the time. And I was slightly disappointed that he'd been the hire over the guy from KC (can't even remember his name right now)

The job he's done since then, however, has made him look a whole helluva lot better, imo. And in turn it has made the optics of the move to retain Mularkey look at least a little better. When you combine that with the fact that the coaching candidates that were available were not much more or less qualified than Mularkey then it pushes the move even further out of the red.

I did NOT want Mularkey and when they announced it I was thoroughly fed up. But could the alternative have been worse? I'm almost 100% positive it could and maybe would have been. Granted, this is only the beginning so there is a lot left for all of them to prove to the fan base. But JR seems to have things moving in the right direction. What else can you ask of them at this point?

[Jamalisms]

At this point there is nothing to ask, really. It's been a few months and we haven't even had a draft, let alone a practice. Anyone upset at the moves so far, or satisfied with the optics now, wanted to feel the way they feel.

There is nothing that should have changed the way you feel unless you thought JRob was a complete hack (which is generally an unfounded position to have had). So far he isn't. Maybe move on from thinking he's a hack. Otherwise? Amy's crap videos and fan outreach is meaningless. An owner isn't good or bad for those reasons, no matter how much some of you demanded she be visible. Mularkey has done nothing visible.

I am, and everyone else should generally be, where I was a few months ago. We'll get some info before September and more once games start... but even a partial year isn't much of a real indicator, which is why I'm taking a full year to be skeptical and really try to view their moves with non-homer glasses. Even a year is too short to really judge a regime, truth be told, but it's where I'm starting.

Anything else is a self-proving prophecy.

[BudsOilers]

1 hour ago, Jamalisms said:

The worst thing they did was letting a guy coach a few games before getting fired? Clears a few things up for me.

The risk of getting the franchise QB killed is worse to me than having the owner hire a HC that you don't like, yes.  You were the one who put the 365 day criteria in your question, not me.

I was not particularly thrilled with Mularkey as the HC myself but I can objectively see that he has characteristics/credentials that the owner clearly valued.  There's no doubt that his stint as interim HC and building a relationship with the owner and the players was a big factor, not to mention his track record with Matt Ryan as a young QB.

 

8 minutes ago, Jamalisms said:

At this point there is nothing to ask, really. It's been a few months and we haven't even had a draft, let alone a practice. Anyone upset at the moves so far, or satisfied with the optics now, wanted to feel the way they feel.

There is nothing that should have changed the way you feel unless you thought JRob was a complete hack (which is generally an unfounded position to have had). So far he isn't. Maybe move on from thinking he's a hack. Otherwise? Amy's crap videos and fan outreach is meaningless. An owner isn't good or bad for those reasons, no matter how much some of you demanded she be visible. Mularkey has done nothing visible.

I am, and everyone else should generally be, where I was a few months ago. We'll get some info before September and more once games start... but even a partial year isn't much of a real indicator, which is why I'm taking a full year to be skeptical and really try to view their moves with non-homer glasses. Even a year is too short to really judge a regime, truth be told, but it's where I'm starting.

Anything else is a self-proving prophecy.

Who made you the judge on what everyone should think?  I've followed the team since the mid 70's and have seen enough of the good and bad to make my own judgements/opinions.  To rebuild it the right way, a one-year view seems to be myopic and unrealistic.  There should be some level of expected improvements but one year blow up plans are what teams like the Browns do. 

[NashvilleNinja]

1 hour ago, Jamalisms said:

At this point there is nothing to ask, really. It's been a few months and we haven't even had a draft, let alone a practice. Anyone upset at the moves so far, or satisfied with the optics now, wanted to feel the way they feel.

There is nothing that should have changed the way you feel unless you thought JRob was a complete hack (which is generally an unfounded position to have had). So far he isn't. Maybe move on from thinking he's a hack. Otherwise? Amy's crap videos and fan outreach is meaningless. An owner isn't good or bad for those reasons, no matter how much some of you demanded she be visible. Mularkey has done nothing visible.

I am, and everyone else should generally be, where I was a few months ago. We'll get some info before September and more once games start... but even a partial year isn't much of a real indicator, which is why I'm taking a full year to be skeptical and really try to view their moves with non-homer glasses. Even a year is too short to really judge a regime, truth be told, but it's where I'm starting.

Anything else is a self-proving prophecy.

Your view that people should only be skeptics vs true believers is silly. It's a false dichotomy. It leaves no room for people who just want to be fans and not worry too much about trying to be some self-appointed expert on shit they have no background in. You can accuse them of wanting to stick their head in the sand if you want, but that's just you standing on a soapbox and pretending to be taller than you are.

For better or worse, pro or anti the method used to get there, we have our clean slate. But viewing everything that happens from that point on through the lens of a deep-seated loathing for ownership is not being skeptical about things. It's just being a curmudgeon who refuses to remove the stick from his buttocks.

[Jamalisms]

10 hours ago, NashvilleNinja said:

Your view that people should only be skeptics vs true believers is silly. It's a false dichotomy. It leaves no room for people who just want to be fans and not worry too much about trying to be some self-appointed expert on shit they have no background in. You can accuse them of wanting to stick their head in the sand if you want, but that's just you standing on a soapbox and pretending to be taller than you are.

For better or worse, pro or anti the method used to get there, we have our clean slate. But viewing everything that happens from that point on through the lens of a deep-seated loathing for ownership is not being skeptical about things. It's just being a curmudgeon who refuses to remove the stick from his buttocks.

Now you're talking in circles. I didn't say you should be a skeptic. I said I'm a skeptic going forward.

You asked what else we could want by now. I said there's nothing because it's too soon. You said the optics are improved. I said it's too soon. Any changes in opinion already is just you wanting a changed opinion.

I'm stepping back from true fanhood where I look for reasons to justify their actions. The rest of you can do whatever you want. It's your time and energy. But if you ask me questions about what I think and why (as you did a few times) I'll respond... and if you start in with saying things are already better in March, I'll note that - yep - it's too soon for that to be true.

[NashvilleNinja]

Looks like @Jonboy needs to call Viper to be his co-pilot after all. Goose is dead and Merlin is buggin out.

[TitanRein27]

Here's a question for Mariota's "boo-man-kissie-poo" - and that drunk Irish-Titan-Man-fan....(how's that UFC wide out doing in the NFL today?)

Being that this is a GM topic and some of you, especially YOU TWO, (Mr. Boo & Mr. Irish) are such Titanic experts, tell me...

Jared Cook, just signed a one year $3 plus Mil contract with Green Bay....(gonna have the season of his life with Rodgers)

Arian Foster, has been hanging around his kitchen....(probably gonna sign with the Colts and run all over LP Field when he comes here to say hello)

Nate Washington, just signed with New England...(like Cook, probably gonna have the best season of his career, having fun with Tom Brady)

BUT AT LEAST....Byron Bell was re-signed, thank God....!!!

DO THE TWO OF YOU IDIOTS THINK, THAT ANY ONE OF THESE PLAYERS "GOING TO" THEIR "NEW" NFL TEAMS BE ANY WORSE THAN THE TENNESSEE TITANS OF THE LAST TWO YEARS AND IN 2016....???

A 28 year old Cook, paired with a Delaine Walker....

An Arian Foster, that had potential with DeMarco Murray to "at the very least" be just a slight, very slight, upgrade over the GREAT - Dexter McCluster and Bishop Sankey......A Nate Washington, who has been the most solid and consistent wide receiver since Derrick Mason, but hey...only had (1) 1000 yard season, so he's garbage,  right....?

And who's that other running back the Titans had, Johnson something.....who still rushed for more yards than every running back on the GREAT Ken Whisenhunt / Ruston Webster rosters....and I think, wait, didn't he rush for more yards than DeMarco Murray last year....but terrible thought of brining him back, right....???

Let's see your genius responses with all that social media parody! You wonder why this franchise has sucked for so long now....

 

 

 

 

[IrishTitansFan]

5 hours ago, TitanRein27 said:

Here's a question for Mariota's "boo-man-kissie-poo" - and that drunk Irish-Titan-Man-fan....(how's that UFC wide out doing in the NFL today?)

Being that this is a GM topic and some of you, especially YOU TWO, (Mr. Boo & Mr. Irish) are such Titanic experts, tell me...

Jared Cook, just signed a one year $3 plus Mil contract with Green Bay....(gonna have the season of his life with Rodgers)

Arian Foster, has been hanging around his kitchen....(probably gonna sign with the Colts and run all over LP Field when he comes here to say hello)

Nate Washington, just signed with New England...(like Cook, probably gonna have the best season of his career, having fun with Tom Brady)

BUT AT LEAST....Byron Bell was re-signed, thank God....!!!

DO THE TWO OF YOU IDIOTS THINK, THAT ANY ONE OF THESE PLAYERS "GOING TO" THEIR "NEW" NFL TEAMS BE ANY WORSE THAN THE TENNESSEE TITANS OF THE LAST TWO YEARS AND IN 2016....???

A 28 year old Cook, paired with a Delaine Walker....

An Arian Foster, that had potential with DeMarco Murray to "at the very least" be just a slight, very slight, upgrade over the GREAT - Dexter McCluster and Bishop Sankey......A Nate Washington, who has been the most solid and consistent wide receiver since Derrick Mason, but hey...only had (1) 1000 yard season, so he's garbage,  right....?

And who's that other running back the Titans had, Johnson something.....who still rushed for more yards than every running back on the GREAT Ken Whisenhunt / Ruston Webster rosters....and I think, wait, didn't he rush for more yards than DeMarco Murray last year....but terrible thought of brining him back, right....???

Let's see your genius responses with all that social media parody! You wonder why this franchise has sucked for so long now....

 

 

 

 

Every player you named sucks absolute ass and were gotten rid of too late, you inept, illiterate retard.

[Face]

8 minutes ago, Soxcat said:

We always like posters to express their feelings openly and not hold back. 

Normally I'd say Irish is out of line here but he's absolutely spot on, I have no idea what that post was supposed to mean. Is he really implying our GM sucks because he didn't sign Jared Cook & Nate Washington? Our offense sucked with these two 5 years ago.

[Mythos27]

2 hours ago, Soxcat said:

Someone arguing we should have done more at RT has a legit beef.  Trying to argue we should have signed Nate Washington, Jared Cook and Arian Foster is insane. 

I think we should've held on to Nate. Not that he's some stud but I think Mariota could have used him.

[Mythos27]

2 minutes ago, Face said:

Normally I'd say Irish is out of line here but he's absolutely spot on, I have no idea what that post was supposed to mean. Is he really implying our GM sucks because he didn't sign Jared Cook & Nate Washington? Our offense sucked with these two 5 years ago.

The guy is a joke poster.

[Mythos27]

29 minutes ago, Soxcat said:

Nate Washington is actually a pretty good WR still and was a bargain last year for the Texans.  Better than Douglas IMO. The thing is we want to sign guys that can stick around and maybe even improve rather than guys who are about ready to retire or are not a good fit.  So what is good for the Pats or a one trick pony like Cook for the Packers isn't our cup of tea.  Those guys didn't neccesarily suck.  Just not what we need right now. 

Of course. Definitely don't want him now.

[IrishTitansFan]

43 minutes ago, Soxcat said:

We always like posters to express their feelings openly and not hold back. 

 

33 minutes ago, Face said:

Normally I'd say Irish is out of line here but he's absolutely spot on, I have no idea what that post was supposed to mean. Is he really implying our GM sucks because he didn't sign Jared Cook & Nate Washington? Our offense sucked with these two 5 years ago.

The dude is incredibly condescending which is funny because he lacks any football knowledge whatsoever. Mythos is right, he is literally a joke. He got mad because he did a mock draft that was just wrong on so many levels and got bashed for it while people liked my one. He now brings me up in a lot of his posts claiming I don't know what I'm talking about, and he cites reasons like me not wanting Jared freaking Cook.