scine09 Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Just now, BeedoeLaw said: I probably should have stated in my first post that I'm not beating the drum for him per say. I'm just pointing out some attributes I think would work well with our QB. If he interviews and demonstrates he has not become at least a little more humble, (I think most great coaches have some degree of prickness to Thier personality ) then I say pass. I think he is what he is. No one worth their salt would agree to coordinate under Belichick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 1 minute ago, BergerKing said: Well, it's up to your boy to do something vs someone other than a cupcake then isn't it? At last glance, the good ones do. The Jags are 22nd if defense, certainly not good but that doesn't rank as a "cupcake". And TB, who some made out to be a cupcake, is 9th in defense. And that's including Opening Day so they've been even better than that since. NO is beyond atrocious though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 1 minute ago, BergerKing said: Well, it's up to your boy to do something vs someone other than a cupcake then isn't it? At last glance, the good ones do. He's done fine in almost every game. That's why his stats are what they are as a freaking rookie. A hell of a lot better than a certain rookie playing on the same team a year ago. Like it or not his rookie season is going to go down as one of the greatest ever by a rookie qb. You can argue it and minimilize it all you want but it is what it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 16 minutes ago, scine09 said: The actual offense the Patriots run would be perfect for Mariota. I worry about McDaniels being a complete prick and trying reinvest the wheel like he did in Denver. I also worry that he'll try to cheat again like he did in Denver. This is how I see it. McDaniels is an ego maniac to the point where I think he seriously may have a disorder. That story about him screaming at Cutler is insane. And the drafting of Tim Tebow is scary, that tells me he's only interested in his own legacy. He wanted to be looked at as a genius for developing Tebow & he wrecked his team to do so. That offense is perfect for Mariota though & if reports that Sean McDermott would bring Mike McCoy in with him as OC are true he'd be at the top of my list. McCoy is an excellent offensive mind who was actually McDaniels OC. His whole system is based around short passing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Nator Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Josh McDaniels is a goddamned dumpster fire. You may as well hire Mark Trestman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeedoeLaw Posted December 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 17 minutes ago, oldschool said: Actually Fox was the HC in 2011. McDaniels had a bad record both years he was there. Thanks for the correction. For some reason I thought he was coach when they beat pitt in the first round a few years ago. I guess I should have looked it up. LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titansfb Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 5 minutes ago, Face said: That offense is perfect for Mariota though & if reports that Sean McDermott would bring Mike McCoy in with him as OC are true he'd be at the top of my list. McCoy is an excellent offensive mind who was actually McDaniels OC. His whole system is based around short passing. Can you win a Super Bowl with a system like that? Teams who fire their bum coaches usually end up picking a guy who is the complete opposite. It's why i don't think McDaniels is going to be our next HC. His personality/demeanor/ego is too similar to Whisenhunt. I'm not against McDaniels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 I love how multiple thread devolve into the same retarded bullshit. Fuck all who allows that to happen! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeedoeLaw Posted December 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 8 minutes ago, Face said: This is how I see it. McDaniels is an ego maniac to the point where I think he seriously may have a disorder. That story about him screaming at Cutler is insane. And the drafting of Tim Tebow is scary, that tells me he's only interested in his own legacy. He wanted to be looked at as a genius for developing Tebow & he wrecked his team to do so. That offense is perfect for Mariota though & if reports that Sean McDermott would bring Mike McCoy in with him as OC are true he'd be at the top of my list. McCoy is an excellent offensive mind who was actually McDaniels OC. His whole system is based around short passing. All that is in bold is definitely a concern, but if you listen to some reporters and game analyst, they believe he has learned from his mistakes in denver. He was pretty young then. I know I'm not the same person I was even 5 years ago. All I'm saying is I would do my due diligence. He would be someone I would be interested in. Actually my short list in order would be Hugh Jackson, Josh McDaniels, and Adam Gase. I rank Hugh and Josh ahead of Adam because they have some head coaching experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKE75 Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 40 minutes ago, 'Nator said: Josh McDaniels is a goddamned dumpster fire. You may as well hire Mark Trestman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
socaltitan Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 21 minutes ago, BeedoeLaw said: All that is in bold is definitely a concern, but if you listen to some reporters and game analyst, they believe he has learned from his mistakes in denver. He was pretty young then. I know I'm not the same person I was even 5 years ago. All I'm saying is I would do my due diligence. He would be someone I would be interested in. Actually my short list in order would be Hugh Jackson, Josh McDaniels, and Adam Gase. I rank Hugh and Josh ahead of Adam because they have some head coaching experience. That's what we thought about Whiz too. Unless he's changed dramatically, McDaniels is a very similar personality type to Whiz. He was an absolute disaster of epic proportions in DEN. He'd have to seriously change his ways and that's risky to bet on. I don't like Hue Jackson for similar reasons. He's a good coach, but an OC to me not a HC. His personality is very grating and I think we'll be tired of it very quickly. Really don't like how he threw his team under the bus in OAK at the end of the season. Gase is too young and I get a Mike McCoy vibe out of him. It's a pretty underwhelming list of candidates if these are the top guys. If we want someone to build an offense around the QB, no one's more proven to me that could be out there than Sean Payton. Look at the production he's gotten out of his offenses every seasons. I think we'd stay in a 3-4 under him. He's a Parcells disciple, a proven winner, and still a relatively young HC at 51. I also like Matt Patricia even though the stigma against NE coaches who become HC is hard to ignore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Titans have the perfect fanbase to NOT be suited to a Josh McDaniels hire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeedoeLaw Posted December 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 7 minutes ago, socaltitan said: That's what we thought about Whiz too. Unless he's changed dramatically, McDaniels is a very similar personality type to Whiz. He was an absolute disaster of epic proportions in DEN. He'd have to seriously change his ways and that's risky to bet on. I don't like Hue Jackson for similar reasons. He's a good coach, but an OC to me not a HC. His personality is very grating and I think we'll be tired of it very quickly. Really don't like how he threw his team under the bus in OAK at the end of the season. Gase is too young and I get a Mike McCoy vibe out of him. It's a pretty underwhelming list of candidates if these are the top guys. If we want someone to build an offense around the QB, no one's more proven to me that could be out there than Sean Payton. Look at the production he's gotten out of his offenses every seasons. I think we'd stay in a 3-4 under him. He's a Parcells disciple, a proven winner, and still a relatively young HC at 51. I also like Matt Patricia even though the stigma against NE coaches who become HC is hard to ignore. If Sean Payton is available he shoots to the top of the list. I heard someone say the saints may try to trade him. What would it take to get Sean Payton? While we are throwing out names, why not John Gruden? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 22 minutes ago, BeedoeLaw said: While we are throwing out names, why not John Gruden? Money. They're paying off Whiz's contract and Gruden makes 6 million a year at ESPN. That's a lot of coin to be throwing around for a coach. Not really against the Payton move but like Gruden they will have to pay top dollar for him. I'm not sure they feel like spending that much on coaching (when adding in what they're paying Wiz to go away). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nine Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Interesting that everyone seems to feel it's a forgone conclusion that Mariota needs an offense-minded HC. Personally, I think MM is coming along just fine and won't require spoon-feeding or hand-holding from an offensive-oriented HC. Think about the greatest QB's of the past 20 years and the coaches who developed them. Over the past several years, we've had the privilege of watching some of the best QB's in league history...many of whom were developed under defensive-minded head coaches. Tom Brady was developed under world-renowned defensive guru Bill Belichick. Peyton Manning was coached by Jim Mora and Tony Dungy...both of whom were former defensive coordinators. Drew Brees and Marty Schottenheimer. Ben Roethlisberger and Bill Cowher. Russell Wilson and Pete Carroll. I don't blame people for wanting a coach who can get the most out of Mariota....but the fact is, over the past couple decades, the lion's share of Super Bowl championships have been won by defensive-minded coaches with quality quarterbacks. There are obviously a few exceptions....Kurt Warner/Dick Vermeil, Aaron Rodgers/Mike McCarthy...maybe even Drew Brees/Sean Payton. But these exceptions are few and relatively far between. IMO, Mariota is going to be a damned good QB regardless of who's coaching the team. As such...while there are a number of qualified coaching candidates with offensive backgrounds, history suggests that the organization might be better served hiring a tough defense-minded coach and leaving Mariota's development to the OC and QB coach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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