IsntLifeFunny Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 How many years does a guy need at WR? It's painful to look around the league and see other guys who look a ton better. Have you watched any Philly games? Jordan Matthews is a rookie and he looks 10x better than Hunter. Better system, QB, and in my mind, coaching. I'm frustrated with his lack of production, but I think his skill set deserves patience. WR is a tough transition for a lot of players. Also, players with smaller statutes, possession types (Mathews) are usually better suited to the transition because of their route tree. Those types are exposed to running all of the routes in college. Hunter is different. His ceiling is higher than most receivers, but he's very raw, only had two actual years of college production, with his second coming off of an ACL. He gets the rest of the season to show enough to solidify his spot as a top two guy on the field, but if he doesn't then you don't just give up on him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Year 3 coming up next year and possibly Hunter can make a jump...So muchinstability in the Titans organization is painful...Trading up is almostalways a bummer...Need to trade down and get extra picks not up and wastefuture options---dumb asses.... Agreed. It's never ideal to trade up, but I don't think it was a bad move. We've had this discussion, but I'm glad to see you having enough patience to see he needs more time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 This team needs to be rebuilt bad. Horrible drafting led to this. It's embarrassing. Now we get prime time coverage of how bad we really are. Martavis is going to light us the fuck up. Big Ben, Brown, and Bryant are must starts in FF next week Just like Flacco and Steve Smith were locks this week... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Jordan Matthews was way more polished coming out of college. Of course he's looking better now. Hunter was very raw. So what? We polish Hunter the turd until there's a little shinola on that $hit, then probably let him hit the FA market? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Well it certainly doesn't help when every time he gets open Locker would overhrow him by 10 yards Funny...I remember a lot more throws from Locker that hit him right in the hands, just before the ball hit the ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 You know, I don't watch UT too much more than I have to as orange makes me throw up in my mouth a little, but thought from a VU perspective on UT WRs: * just was not all that impressed this past year with Hunter or Patterson, though it was easy to see how much of that could be put on Bray and Dooley (while watching VU clobber UT with Jordan Matthews and Chris Boyd looking miles ahead of anybody in orange) * before the game this past year, when Coach Franklin was asked about Hunter (as in how do you game plan for him), he switched the topic to Patterson quickly, saying he had rarely seen a guy like Patterson who cut make a cut on a dime losing almost no speed... seemed to really think Patterson was special sometimes it's obvious to people who know. guess we should get some of those in our scouting dept. of course, I was less impressed with Patterson after our kicker leveled him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stranger Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Hunter has been a disappointment this season in relation for what we gave for him. However, I won't label him a bust until he flops next season. He's still young, and if the light comes on, we're going to have a athletic stud WR for years to come. I hope to see flashes of greatness this season with Mett getting more playing time and the two of them getting more comfortable. If by next seasons end, Hunter isn't playing up to par, then thank him for his time and service, and send him on his way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 When it comes to WRs, i want the Steelers or Packers scouts. They always find them.We never do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denali Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 sometimes it's obvious to people who know. guess we should get some of those in our scouting dept. of course, I was less impressed with Patterson after our kicker leveled him. I also liked Matthews better than Hunter and Patterson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaTitan Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Our scouts are like my son, hooking all kinds of shit at the bottom of the lake and dragging it up. No fish, just trash. Seriously, our scouts should be used to see who we shouldn't draft. But C. O. Brocato can work that stopwatch like nobody's business.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 I also liked Matthews better than Hunter and Patterson. I think part of the idea of Patterson was that while he too was really raw, he was able to do more than run fast and jump high. He obviously also had a tremendous skill set as a returner right off the bat with definite potential to develop as a route runner (that was his biggest weakness). Hunter runs like a deer, but in turn has legs like Bambi. There's still some maybe there. He could develop more down the road. But the upside is mostly a deep threat, not a move the chains guy who will make the tough catch over the middle. In some ways, it's ideal that he's the exact counterpoint of Wright, who - for a small guy - is a pretty tough receiver, good over the middle, more quick than fast. But on the other hand, our WRs are so predictably one dimensional that it must make it easier to game plan against them. Not sure where I posted it, but predicted than even though Matthews might not beat out Hunter numbers wise this year, he probably will in the long run (not withstanding injury factors, but even then I bet Hunter snaps in half before Matthews). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 So if Hunter doesn't get penalized there, does the conversation change? It was a pretty big play with a better catch than throw. The penalty looked pretty borderline if not bogus. The demonstration of ability happened - it just didn't count. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Better system, QB, and in my mind, coaching. I'm frustrated with his lack of production, but I think his skill set deserves patience. WR is a tough transition for a lot of players. Also, players with smaller statutes, possession types (Mathews) are usually better suited to the transition because of their route tree. Those types are exposed to running all of the routes in college. Hunter is different. His ceiling is higher than most receivers, but he's very raw, only had two actual years of college production, with his second coming off of an ACL. He gets the rest of the season to show enough to solidify his spot as a top two guy on the field, but if he doesn't then you don't just give up on him. You do realize Matthews is only an inch shorter (6'3" vs 6'4"... albeit minus the hops/arm length) and played at least 20-25Lb heavier than Hunter in college right? And put up 21 reps on the bench, 2nd most among combine WRs. (Hunter didn't bother with the Bambi arms) And officially clocked on .02 behind Hunter on the 40. (He's not as fast in my opinion, but still pretty darn good) Matthews still has a ways to go, and his downside is that he's kinda maxed out. Not going to get better by working out (he's buff), not going to suddenly learn how to play football (he knows how, and had a 29 Wonderlic vs Hunter's 12 ... which was still better than his teammate Patterson http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2013/4/21/4249876/blaming-colleges-for-low-wonderlic-scores). Guys like Hunter and Patterson have some physical upside, and room to develop, but there are still some big IFs when you decide you can improve what hasn't been improved already by other coaches - Dooley notwithstanding. Bad habits are a bitch to get rid of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 So if Hunter doesn't get penalized there, does the conversation change? It was a pretty big play with a better catch than throw. The penalty looked pretty borderline if not bogus. The demonstration of ability happened - it just didn't count. The penalty was BS. Same thing though. Overall lack of contribution overshadowed by Wow plays. Still believe he will have a few more Wow plays with Mett around, however. Those two certainly have the potential to help each other out, and fit each others' strengths quite well. I don't think Hunter is terrible, but the effort, attitude and inconsistency are maddening. And this He's the next Moss talk just needed to stop. It has now (as a function of lack of production unfortunately). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Hunter was targeted all of twice yesterday. One was a 17 yard catch in air-tight coverage and the other was a super athletic catch where he elevated over a defender and got it taken away by a bullshit offensive PI called that almost never gets called. On 11 less catches Hunter has 55 more yards, 7.7 higher yards per catch, and 1 less TD. Matthews had Foles and Hunter had Jake Locker and Charlie Whitehurst, yup that seems fair to me. If we're gonna use a player to highlight how awful Hunter is we might want to pick a guy who is actually much better. Justin is one of the few guys who can make big plays and we want to run him out of town in year two because he's not Randy Moss or AJ Green. I know he hasn't lit the world on fire but I don't get why people are so ready to throw the guy in the trash bin already. We have a roster full of young guys going through their growing pains, why is JH the one everyone wants to toss? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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