Starkiller Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 I think it's clear that Webster does NOT like the idea of bringing in a new QB yearly... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcibiades Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 I agree with Little Earl. If you look at that list, it's not really paying off for those teams at all. Green Bay looks like they are trying to find a backup, but they fell apart without Rodgers. Denver had to bring in Manning. The jets...ouch. Browns? If those are the teams drafting lots of QBs, I don't see that as evidence that we should do the same thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 I agree with Little Earl. If you look at that list, it's not really paying off for those teams at all. Green Bay looks like they are trying to find a backup, but they fell apart without Rodgers. Denver had to bring in Manning. The jets...ouch. Browns? If those are the teams drafting lots of QBs, I don't see that as evidence that we should do the same thing. Wiz also said something along the lines of one of the main things he learned in Ari was to be more patient w/ the QB position. He thought he was too quick to pull his QB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcibiades Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 I hope he's being honest, because I agree with his self assessment there. Having a hair trigger on a QB is a good way to break them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nash Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 Sox, my point is with munchak and Matthews we should have been a factory for developing oline men .. But we were always replacing the interior line .. If we need to trade up next year we should be squiring assets Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cenj Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 I hope this is true. Look at what Philly has done over the years in developing and trading QBs -- if they had quit with Vick, they'd be in bigger trouble right now. I'm a firm believer that the situation a QB goes into has a massive effect on the their development. If we regularly draft QBs that fit the system, and have coaches that know how to develop them, you create a stable of capable players at the position. It keeps competition up, builds trade value, and helps keep the team going even when your starter gets hurt. Sure, you''ll miss and "waste" some picks, but I think the likelihood of blown picks decreases when you bring the right guys in, develop them slowly and without pressure, and give them time to fully learn the system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiscotitansfan Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 I hope this is true. Look at what Philly has done over the years in developing and trading QBs -- if they had quit with Vick, they'd be in bigger trouble right now. I'm a firm believer that the situation a QB goes into has a massive effect on the their development. If we regularly draft QBs that fit the system, and have coaches that know how to develop them, you create a stable of capable players at the position. It keeps competition up, builds trade value, and helps keep the team going even when your starter gets hurt. Sure, you''ll miss and "waste" some picks, but I think the likelihood of blown picks decreases when you bring the right guys in, develop them slowly and without pressure, and give them time to fully learn the system. Not sure if it is comparable but my best example would be the Packers in the late 90's. The QBs and coaches that were on that roster at one point is insane. In too much of a hurry to list everyone though, sorry! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cenj Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 By the way, if your incumbent starter gets upset because he feels his job is threatened by a 4th-7th round rookie, then you don't have a franchise QB. Pats traded Cassel (who was a 7th round pick), then developed Brian Hoyer (undrafted), then spent a 3rd rounder on Ryan Mallet. You don't hear Brady crying over in Foxborough. Good system + good coaches + stable franchise = strong likelihood of finding and developing quality QBs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 By the way, if your incumbent starter gets upset because he feels his job is threatened by a 4th-7th round rookie, then you don't have a franchise QB. Pats traded Cassel (who was a 7th round pick), then developed Brian Hoyer (undrafted), then spent a 3rd rounder on Ryan Mallet. You don't hear Brady crying over in Foxborough. Good system + good coaches + stable franchise = strong likelihood of finding and developing quality QBs Most of the teams that are successful at it have consistent set starters though. We dont. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 There is too much being made of finding a franchise QB. Sure you can bring in late draft picks yearly, you can draft one at 11 if one falls if you believe they'll be a franchise QB. Most of the time it will not work, they are too hard to find and there are only a handful. In the meantime the defense has to be built into an elite unit. This is why Seattle and SF were the two best teams and the Panthers turned into a contender. It's why NE and Denver fell short with two HOF QBs. An elite defense can be built. The Titans have a staff that has a proven record of coaching top defenses. I would dedicate this off season into building the defense. Go heavy in the draft on the front seven and use FA to sign defensive players. If you stumble onto a franchise QB along the way great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 There is too much being made of finding a franchise QB. Sure you can bring in late draft picks yearly, you can draft one at 11 if one falls if you believe they'll be a franchise QB. Most of the time it will not work, they are too hard to find and there are only a handful. In the meantime the defense has to be built into an elite unit. This is why Seattle and SF were the two best teams and the Panthers turned into a contender. It's why NE and Denver fell short with two HOF QBs. An elite defense can be built. The Titans have a staff that has a proven record of coaching top defenses. I would dedicate this off season into building the defense. Go heavy in the draft on the front seven and use FA to sign defensive players. If you stumble onto a franchise QB along the way great. Good defenses and strong running games can also make your QB look a lot better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcibiades Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Sure, but if you constantly play the lottery, you go broke, because you'll never win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaOiler Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Most lotto tickets are sold in poor neighborhoods. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaOiler Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 If the Pats didn't play they don't get Brady and the whole history of the franchise is different. Basically the same deal with Seattle being in a similar situation as us and taking a chance on a 6 ft QB in the 3rd round. Seattle could have just gone ahead and picked a defensive player instead. Not according to @scine09. Hell, they could have brought in Rusty and had no problem winning three rings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 If the Pats didn't play they don't get Brady and the whole history of the franchise is different. Basically the same deal with Seattle being in a similar situation as us and taking a chance on a 6 ft QB in the 3rd round. Seattle could have just gone ahead and picked a defensive player instead. We could play this game all day. What if the Seahawks were "playing the lottery" and drafted some bust of a QB instead of Richard Sherman in the 5th? What if the 49ers were "playing the lottery" and drafted some bust of a QB instead of NaVorro Bowman in the 3rd? What if the Vikings were "playing the lottery" and drafted some bust of a QB instead of Jared Allen in the 4th? What if the Giants were "playing the lottery" and decided to bring in some scrub undrafted QB for that last roster spot instead of Victor Cruz? Just b/c some team tried it once and got lucky doesn't mean it's a sound strategy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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