wiscotitansfan Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 What the hell is the point? It's clearly all about PR. Majority of the league is black, why do the coaches HAVE to be? Might as well make teams have a white person in every skills position. Why the hell is it making news that there are only 4 minority HCs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
big2033 Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 What the hell is the point? It's clearly all about PR. Majority of the league is black, why do the coaches HAVE to be? Might as well make teams have a white person in every skills position. Why the hell is it making news that there are only 4 minority HCs. They don't have to be. But for some reason many minority coaches weren't given a chance until the Rooney rule came into effect. Sometimes you have to push change to help people take notice. A sad fact is, whether consciously or unconsciously minority coaches weren't given opportunities to be head coaches. People are now giving these coaches chances and realizing that they may be the right candidate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiscotitansfan Posted January 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 I understand wanting diversity and having to force change over time but having the news all over the fact that there less minority head coaches that there were last year. I'm by no means racist but affirmative action is by far the most ridiculous thing ever. How does being a minority make you more qualified for school, a scholarship, an interview or even a job. Even if a team knows who they are going to hire they have to waste everyone's money and time by bringing a minority in (I think that is how the rule works). It just dumb how it is news that the black coaches in the league went from 6 to 4. It is what it is and nothing more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiscotitansfan Posted January 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 "We have already started the process of developing a plan for additional steps that will better ensure more diversity and inclusion on a regular basis in our hiring results. We look forward to discussing these steps with our advisers to ensure that our employment, development and equal opportunity programs are both robust and successful." That statement there is why I am upset about this, they are going out of their way to MAKE SURE the coaches and GMs are more diverse. People would go apeshit if they made a rule that required every team to have a black QB, a white RB or anything along those lines. Why is coaching any different?!? http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000128115/article/nfl-looks-to-adjust-rooney-rule-to-ensure-diversity Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 I think you are making more out of this than is actually there. The Rooney Rule, which was largely ridiculed at first, has proven to be a pretty good success. Sure there have been token interviews, but many black candidates have gotten a chance and gone on to get hired and some have gone on to be successful head coaches. Get real, no one is going to start imposing quotas, but the NFL is going to keep doing all it can to help improve the chances of qualified black candidates, as it should. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titansfan Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 I understand wanting diversity and having to force change over time but having the news all over the fact that there less minority head coaches that there were last year. I'm by no means racist but affirmative action is by far the most ridiculous thing ever. How does being a minority make you more qualified for school, a scholarship, an interview or even a job. Even if a team knows who they are going to hire they have to waste everyone's money and time by bringing a minority in (I think that is how the rule works). It just dumb how it is news that the black coaches in the league went from 6 to 4. It is what it is and nothing more. The idea is that the coach hiring process has a country club approach about... The Rooney rule introduces candidates who would have never been considered in the unofficial fraternity of NFL front office positions... It's needed. I don't think any minority is asking for a handout. They just want a fair opportunity. There are quality minorities sitting on the market right. I am stunned that Ray Horton did not get hired. Also Mike Tomlin was hired because he was brought to satisfy the Rooney rule. The Rooneys gave him a fair shot and he blew them away by seizing his opportunity. They surprise the world by hiring Tomlin and two SB visits, one championship later nobody is regretting the decision to bring him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiscotitansfan Posted January 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 I agree it has given others a chance but it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see the league take it further. The NFL fined the Lions $200,000 for not interviewing a minority in 2003. No owner in the NFL would ever say, "hey, let's not hire this guy because he is black or Samoan or something like that". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 I agree it has given others a chance but it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see the league take it further. The NFL fined the Lions $200,000 for not interviewing a minority in 2003. No owner in the NFL would ever say, "hey, let's not hire this guy because he is black or Samoan or something like that". Do you actually have any logic to back up the problems you have with this rule or is it just a gut level thing you don't like? Because not to be a jerk but you just keep rambling and throwing out non sequitor's left and right despite the fact that (1) somethig unquestionably needed to be done about the number of black head coaching candidates getting chances vs the number of qualified candidates and (2) the fact that the Rooney Rule has been a success in that it has enablede qualified black coaches to be elevated and has not otherwise prevented anyone from getting the coach they want, white or black. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercalius Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 At the end of the day, the Rooney Rule just ensures these candidates get interviews, which is beneficial to both the coach and the franchise. The league can't put a gun to the owners' heads and force them to hire anyone they don't want to - so it's still their decision after they weigh all the information. And even though I know we're all highly inclined for instant gratification, for a high paying job like an NFL head coach it's always best to have as many candidates and weigh all the options you can before you make such a big decision. Case in point, Mike Tomlin. Without the rule, the Steelers most likely don't win the Super Bowl in 2008. The only downside is that some minority coaches are often used as "that guy" over and over when a franchise already has someone else in mind to legally fulfill the rule, thus I'm sure making them a tad bitter when they know they very likely stand no chance of getting the job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Scine wants all coaches white Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 What the hell is the point? It's clearly all about PR. Majority of the league is black, why do the coaches HAVE to be? Might as well make teams have a white person in every skills position. Why the hell is it making news that there are only 4 minority HCs. Sigh. If you pay attention to issues of culture and race at all you understand the impetus for things like the Rooney Rule. If you pay attention to the league at all you understand how rampant cronyism is, which can prevent minority athletes from receiving a fair chance. This isn't just true of the league, but of the workforce, congress etc. Can you remember when Black quarterbacks were often stigmatized because people didn't believe that black men were smart enough to be quarterbacks? If you can't, then you not only have you forgotten Super Bowl XXII, but you also can't remember yesterday because unfortunately, ghosts of these criticisms still exist. The underlying assumption of people who criticize the Rooney Rule and other similar practices is that opportunities are equal, but in truth it is much harder for a minority to advance to the point where the possibility of an interview is even available. But with the Rooney Rule, you've made my argument for me. A majority of players are black, correct? Isn't one of the most prominent ways that a person gets into the coaching business is that he was a former athlete? Doesn't it stand to reason, then, that the identities of our coaches at least be a moderate reflection of this? Why don't more black assistants move up? The assumption is that they are receiving an advantage, "a gift" they aren't qualified for. This is a classic example of the rhetoric of power "everything you get was taken from me." I mean, let's shift your exact language from this example to the workforce: "Majority of the [people working at McDonald's] are black, why do the [managers] HAVE to be?" If you can't see something problematic with that, I hope that you spend more time raising your awareness about issues of race. This isn't even identity theory 101. There isn't even a perceivable consequence of this because a percentage of coaches don't have to be minorities. I find myself consistently exasperated when discussing race because it seems many people are incapable of a basic, surface level understanding of cultural context and history. I could write for hours and I couldn't be able to truly articulate the complexity of race relations in this country. I'm resisting the urge to bring up how fucked this country is because of its ideological backlash to a black president. Come on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiscotitansfan Posted January 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Do you actually have any logic to back up the problems you have with this rule or is it just a gut level thing you don't like? The Lions getting fined $200,000 for not interviewing a minority when they wanted Mariucci all along isn't enough logic? Encourage teams to look at everyone and all that jazz but don't put it in the rulebook and enforce penalties. They claimed they are going to do more to ensure more diversity in the upper levels. The only thing short of enforcing quotas and ratios I can think of that is somewhat remotely logical is something along the lines of "If you bring in a '2nd tier' white coach, you must bring in a minority coach with more wins or whatever". IDK, but my whole point is what more can you do that isn't ridiculous? That's my problem, guaranteeing interviews isn't enough since it isn't yielding the results the league was hoping for, they will add more rules to this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titansfan Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 Sigh. If you pay attention to issues of culture and race at all you understand the impetus for things like the Rooney Rule. If you pay attention to the league at all you understand how rampant cronyism is, which can prevent minority athletes from receiving a fair chance. This isn't just true of the league, but of the workforce, congress etc. Can you remember when Black quarterbacks were often stigmatized because people didn't believe that black men were smart enough to be quarterbacks? If you can't, then you not only have you forgotten Super Bowl XXII, but you also can't remember yesterday because unfortunately, ghosts of these criticisms still exist. The underlying assumption of people who criticize the Rooney Rule and other similar practices is that opportunities are equal, but in truth it is much harder for a minority to advance to the point where the possibility of an interview is even available. But with the Rooney Rule, you've made my argument for me. A majority of players are black, correct? Isn't one of the most prominent ways that a person gets into the coaching business is that he was a former athlete? Doesn't it stand to reason, then, that the identities of our coaches at least be a moderate reflection of this? Why don't more black assistants move up? The assumption is that they are receiving an advantage, "a gift" they aren't qualified for. This is a classic example of the rhetoric of power "everything you get was taken from me." I mean, let's shift your exact language from this example to the workforce: "Majority of the [people working at McDonald's] are black, why do the [managers] HAVE to be?" If you can't see something problematic with that, I hope that you spend more time raising your awareness about issues of race. This isn't even identity theory 101. There isn't even a perceivable consequence of this because a percentage of coaches don't have to be minorities. I find myself consistently exasperated when discussing race because it seems many people are incapable of a basic, surface level understanding of cultural context and history. I could write for hours and I couldn't be able to truly articulate the complexity of race relations in this country. I'm resisting the urge to bring up how fucked this country is because of its ideological backlash to a black president. Come on. I said it months ago. Bink should post more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 The league had a rule in place that you must interview at least one minority candidate. The lions violated the rule and the league punished them as a result. Sounds appropriate to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 According to the more recent census data, 72.4% of the US population is white. Obviously, there will be more white coaches. The afro-american population is 12.6% nationwide. They have been right on par with head coaching positions lately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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