BudsOilers Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 If they execute the pick or Lockette is more physical or Wilson makes a perfect throw, BB's strategy blows up in his face while he has the GOAT at QB and a decimated Seattle defense..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 Therein lies the problem. too many things to go wrong when you could just hurry up and run the ball again and still have plenty of time to get a timeout or spike if necessary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 1 hour ago, titanruss said: Therein lies the problem. too many things to go wrong when you could just hurry up and run the ball again and still have plenty of time to get a timeout or spike if necessary. Why on earth would anyone spike the ball and forfeit a down? If only one of those 3 things happens (Kearse picks Butler, Lockette goes stronger for the ball, Wilson places it on his chest) it's an easy TD and likely win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 (edited) 13 minutes ago, BudsOilers said: Why on earth would anyone spike the ball and forfeit a down? If only one of those 3 things happens (Kearse picks Butler, Lockette goes stronger for the ball, Wilson places it on his chest) it's an easy TD and likely win. as a necessary means of stopping the clock. of course they could have pass checks or a second play ready... the pass leaves room to be stopped out of the endzone anyhow. so a called run or pass could still end with the clock running. Even a better pass is right at the goalline. Edited May 20 by titanruss Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 You're not forgoing using a TO in exchange for losing a play.....Come on. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 2 hours ago, BudsOilers said: You're not forgoing using a TO in exchange for losing a play.....Come on. Sure, But there's 2 more downs after that play and possibly more if there's a penalty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 7 minutes ago, titanruss said: Sure, But there's 2 more downs after that play and possibly more if there's a penalty. You wouldn't have 2 plays left it you ran it unsuccessfully on 2nd down as you advocate and then "spike it" on 3rd down to stop the clock....You'd be left with one play and a TO which I guess you'd use to get the right play. That's a retarded strategy. At no point would you opt to spike it and waste a down instead of calling a TO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 21 minutes ago, BudsOilers said: You wouldn't have 2 plays left it you ran it unsuccessfully on 2nd down as you advocate and then "spike it" on 3rd down to stop the clock....You'd be left with one play and a TO which I guess you'd use to get the right play. That's a retarded strategy. At no point would you opt to spike it and waste a down instead of calling a TO. As I said... I simply stated that spiking it is an option to stop the clock. not the best one but an option. If there's a penalty, easy to have a down reset and a possible need to spike or use the TO. The spiking it has nothing to do with anything other than there was time to run another play or two - with options to stop the clock - had a run failed. So running it was an option and as the game was going - a very good one. Your insistence on the minutia of the argument rather than the greater point just makes your argument feel even more hazy. Pete Carrol didn't call the best of plays, there was too much tight complications on that one, the defense was ready, he wasted clock,.... and he cried a fuck ton about it after - admittedly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 I’m often amazed by the football knowledge of posters. I don’t pretend to be as knowledgeable. In the end though it comes down to what happens on the field. I just watch the games. I have noticed a serious bias in how BC is viewed. When Vrabel coached in 2023 with the same problems you guys could never understand the RT and LT played poorly as a reason why they lost. Also, Tannehill’s ball started coming out of the backfield late in 2022. His decline due to age and getting the hell beat out of him, plus the playoff game bruise hurt his production. Now I’m going to watch the games again this season. I hope all this high level understanding is used to help the ones of us who don’t follow all the PFF and guys like Mel Kipper them be presented w/o bias. BudsOilers 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 On 5/20/2025 at 4:46 PM, titanruss said: As I said... I simply stated that spiking it is an option to stop the clock. not the best one but an option. If there's a penalty, easy to have a down reset and a possible need to spike or use the TO. The spiking it has nothing to do with anything other than there was time to run another play or two - with options to stop the clock - had a run failed. So running it was an option and as the game was going - a very good one. Your insistence on the minutia of the argument rather than the greater point just makes your argument feel even more hazy. Pete Carrol didn't call the best of plays, there was too much tight complications on that one, the defense was ready, he wasted clock,.... and he cried a fuck ton about it after - admittedly. It's a horrible option if you have a TO at your disposal, which they did....in exchange for a play. The play call was fine. The execution of it wasn't. And no they didn't waste clock....they intentionally were bleeding time so when they scored (they obviously thought they would) NE would then not have time to get into scoring range. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 More important thing is to score. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 Of course but once NE didn't use TO's after the 1st down play, SEA shifted into the bleed the clock mode where in their mind they had at 3 cracks left at scoring. And again the play was there to be made if any Kearse impedes Butler, which was his assignment. Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 Seattle lost because New England knew exactly what play they would call in that situation. Ergo, the problem was the play call. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 10 minutes ago, pat said: Seattle lost because New England knew exactly what play they would call in that situation. Ergo, the problem was the play call. It would not matter if SEA had executed the play assignments properly..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted May 23 Report Share Posted May 23 BTW - on a more general thing do people on here actually think that most plays run by an offense are a surprise to the defense? Seriously? Execution of plays (on both sides) decides the outcome of plays more so than some element of surprise by a play caller. Pragidealist 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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