MadMax Posted January 28, 2024 Report Share Posted January 28, 2024 4 minutes ago, Justafan said: I get it but this is the same logic racists use. I find these sorts of discussions unbearable and hypocritical and all too frequent over here. Maybe I just need to go back to the football side and avoid the politics. We will never be able to have real conversation when liberals and conservatives approach these conversations with a baseline of moral superiority and zero desire for good faith challenges to their beliefs. I don't feel my observation comes from a stance of moral superiority. I live in a very rural, very white, very republican county. I don't have to go far to hear jokes or slurs about anyone non-white, non-hetro. The common denominator for the source is the same. It's really depressing. I want to think higher of my fellows but they keep disappointing. It's one of the things that make me wish I still lived in Nashville. That and pizza delivery. reo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted January 28, 2024 Report Share Posted January 28, 2024 (edited) 18 minutes ago, MadMax said: I don't feel my observation comes from a stance of moral superiority. I live in a very rural, very white, very republican county. I don't have to go far to hear jokes or slurs about anyone non-white, non-hetro. The common denominator for the source is the same. It's really depressing. I want to think higher of my fellows but they keep disappointing. It's one of the things that make me wish I still lived in Nashville. That and pizza delivery. Sorry you’ve had to endure that. That would be miserable to be around all day. Edited January 28, 2024 by Justafan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMax Posted January 28, 2024 Report Share Posted January 28, 2024 4 minutes ago, Justafan said: Sorry you’ve had to endure that. That would be miserable to be around all day. Eh. I avoid the stuff. I pick and choose where I do my dealings and who I do them with. It's a bit aggravating that I have to think about such stupidity but it's the world we live in. Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted January 28, 2024 Report Share Posted January 28, 2024 3 hours ago, Justafan said: What? Only if you assume that the only racism is white racism. We know that's not true. Hell, there are black people racist against other black people because they aren't black enough. Most of that is being bigoted and not really racist. Racism is an act, not an opinion. Starkiller, and Jamalisms 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted January 28, 2024 Report Share Posted January 28, 2024 6 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Most of that is being bigoted and not really racist. Racism is an act, not an opinion. Semantics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted January 28, 2024 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2024 racism noun rac·ism ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi- Synonyms of racism 1 : a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism bigot noun big·ot ˈbi-gət Synonyms of bigot : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot IsntLifeFunny, and Starkiller 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted January 28, 2024 Report Share Posted January 28, 2024 5 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: racism noun rac·ism ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi- Synonyms of racism 1 : a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism bigot noun big·ot ˈbi-gət Synonyms of bigot : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot A lot of new DEI programs teach that prejudice is the opinion and racism is the act. I assume that is what he's referring to. Still, I don't think it's relevant to our discussion here, and you are correct about the strict definitions. The crux of this IMO is simple. Do we have the right to make sweeping judgments and observations about an entire population of people about racism, or is it hypocritical given that the same exact logic is used to justify racism in the first place? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted January 28, 2024 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2024 4 minutes ago, Justafan said: A lot of new DEI programs teach that prejudice is the opinion and racism is the act. Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted January 28, 2024 Report Share Posted January 28, 2024 1 minute ago, Jamalisms said: I agree. I'm not a big fan of the way new DEI programs are implemented, even if I think diversity training is critical in our multicultural workplace and with so many people still treating others with ignorance and intolerance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted January 28, 2024 Report Share Posted January 28, 2024 2 hours ago, Jamalisms said: racism noun rac·ism ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi- Synonyms of racism 1 : a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism bigot noun big·ot ˈbi-gət Synonyms of bigot : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot A bigot is a person who is generally intolerant and hateful toward people they consider different (in terms of race, religion, sexuality, or in other ways). A racist is a specific type of bigot—one who’s bigoted based on race. The word racism often also refers to a system of oppression (systemic racism) of people of color, and the word racist can refer to a person who upholds or participates in such a system. Some people understand and have degrees in their education when it comes to the things they discuss. I have a degree in this education as well as family history. You're not understanding the term or the difference and nuance in the definition. Same with SK. Racism denotes and inherent understanding of power over an individual overtly or by subversion of another or others. If you don't understand that feel free to actually go and read. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted January 28, 2024 Report Share Posted January 28, 2024 4 hours ago, Justafan said: Semantics. Not at all. Apparently you, SK, and Jamal do not understand the massive difference in the terms as shown by your discussion. I'm not saying that with judgement as most do not, but in the United States this is very prevalent. Racism denotes a power dynamic of one sort or another. Bigotry does not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted January 28, 2024 Report Share Posted January 28, 2024 3 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Not at all. Apparently you, SK, and Jamal do not understand the massive difference in the terms as shown by your discussion. I'm not saying that with judgement as most do not, but in the United States this is very prevalent. Racism denotes a power dynamic of one sort or another. Bigotry does not. You know I was an EO (army version of DEI) for like a year and a half, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted January 28, 2024 Report Share Posted January 28, 2024 2 hours ago, Justafan said: A lot of new DEI programs teach that prejudice is the opinion and racism is the act. I assume that is what he's referring to. Still, I don't think it's relevant to our discussion here, and you are correct about the strict definitions. The crux of this IMO is simple. Do we have the right to make sweeping judgments and observations about an entire population of people about racism, or is it hypocritical given that the same exact logic is used to justify racism in the first place? This has nothing to do with DEI lol. Jesus Christ you guys are a lot sometimes. Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted January 28, 2024 Report Share Posted January 28, 2024 Just now, IsntLifeFunny said: This has nothing to do with DEI lol. Jesus Christ you guys are a lot sometimes. You clearly have no fucking clue what you're talking about. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted January 28, 2024 Report Share Posted January 28, 2024 Just now, Justafan said: You know I was an EO (army version of DEI) for like a year and a half, right? I did not. In that case you most likely have a better understanding than the other 2 in this discussion. DEI isn't what I'm discussing. Power dynamics is. Racism inherently holds some sort of power over the other. Bigotry does not. That is not just the understanding of a term but its actual deeper meaning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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