Starkiller Posted December 22, 2023 Report Share Posted December 22, 2023 14 minutes ago, Justafan said: This is too much to respond to on my phone but… you say you never did that but then turn around and do exactly that. It’s a lie that conservatives denied civil rights and liberal were the saviors. Both sides had people against and for civil rights. It’s disingenuous to pretend like modern day democrats were some saviors when many of them have nothing at all in common. The fascist stuff is ridiculous and inflammatory rhetoric from a zealot and nothing more. Stop making shit up. You don’t get to rewrite history as part of your “both sides” story. I’m sure you find Fox News just as convincing as the rest of your fellow conservatives but that doesn’t make it real… WG53 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted December 22, 2023 Report Share Posted December 22, 2023 Just now, Starkiller said: Stop making shit up. You don’t get to rewrite history as part of your “both sides” story. I’m sure you find Fox News just as convincing as the rest of your fellow conservatives but that doesn’t make it real… Did you or did you not immediately take my definition of fascism and pin that on the modern conservatives and then proceed to call me conservative when I’ve repeatedly said I’m not? Again, you people are incapable of adult conversation. You just hurl vitriol, spout political dogma, and make shit up to fit your narrative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted December 22, 2023 Report Share Posted December 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, Justafan said: Did you or did you not immediately take my definition of fascism and pin that on the modern conservatives 1. your definition of fascism isn’t fascism. 2. I specifically said the MAGAs are fascists, not conservatives as a whole. Stop lying about what I said. 9 minutes ago, Justafan said: and then proceed to call me conservative when I’ve repeatedly said I’m not? You can claim to be the king of England but that doesn’t make it so. You are a conservative. I have no idea why you try to deny it. Everything you say screams traditional conservative. Feel free to take an online test to see where you fall on the political spectrum if you don’t believe me. Regardless, you sound like Soxcat when he claimed to be a moderate. He got soundly mocked for that one. 9 minutes ago, Justafan said: Again, you people are incapable of adult conversation. You just hurl vitriol, spout political dogma, and make shit up to fit your narrative. Not sure what “vitriol” you think I’m hurling. You just seem to want to paint yourself as a victim and twist history to fit your narrative that both sides are the same. WG53 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted December 22, 2023 Report Share Posted December 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Starkiller said: 1. your definition of fascism isn’t fascism. 2. I specifically said the MAGAs are fascists, not conservatives as a whole. Stop lying about what I said. You can claim to be the king of England but that doesn’t make it so. You are a conservative. I have no idea why you try to deny it. Everything you say screams traditional conservative. Feel free to take an online test to see where you fall on the political spectrum if you don’t believe me. Regardless, you sound like Soxcat when he claimed to be a moderate. He got soundly mocked for that one. Not sure what “vitriol” you think I’m hurling. You just seem to want to paint yourself as a victim and twist history to fit your narrative that both sides are the same. Incapable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Earl Posted December 22, 2023 Report Share Posted December 22, 2023 26 minutes ago, Justafan said: Incapable. He's quite incapable. He wants so badly to believe Fascism is extreme right, that he ignores that it was a socialist party. Starkiller 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted December 22, 2023 Report Share Posted December 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Justafan said: Incapable. I’m the one trying to have an adult conversation. You’re the one throwing a fit. But fine, I’ll just stop trying… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted December 22, 2023 Report Share Posted December 22, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Starkiller said: I’m the one trying to have an adult conversation. You’re the one throwing a fit. But fine, I’ll just stop trying… No, you don’t get to throw stones and then play victim. Here’s a hint, the guy throwing around accusations of fascism isn’t trying to have an adult conversation. The guy who is obsessed with calling people what they want to be called but then continues to refer to me as something I’ve asked him not to is a hypocrite. The guy who pretends like there’s no vitriol or attacks but then partakes and joins in is a liar. Save the BS. I didn’t even want to have this conversation, you did. The least you could do is convey your points respectfully, but you are…. Incapable. Edited December 22, 2023 by Justafan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMax Posted December 22, 2023 Report Share Posted December 22, 2023 Jeesh... Both of you. "I don't want to have this conversation but, I can't let you get the last word. Getting the last word is how I win this conversation I didn't want to have so neener neener!! I know you are but what am I". Give it a rest already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted December 22, 2023 Report Share Posted December 22, 2023 12 minutes ago, MadMax said: Jeesh... Both of you. "I don't want to have this conversation but, I can't let you get the last word. Getting the last word is how I win this conversation I didn't want to have so neener neener!! I know you are but what am I". Give it a rest already. Seriously? NOW you got something to say? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMax Posted December 22, 2023 Report Share Posted December 22, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Justafan said: Seriously? NOW you got something to say? No. No I don't. I gave up pages ago. I'm just wondering how long you two are gonna say the same stuff back and forth to get the last word. Now feel free to retort. I'm conceding by not responding. You win. Huzzah. Edited December 22, 2023 by MadMax Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted December 22, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2023 Word MadMax, and begooode 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted December 22, 2023 Report Share Posted December 22, 2023 In case people want to see why Argentina was ripe for political upheaval Also largely why so many South Americans are desperate to come here IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG53 Posted December 23, 2023 Report Share Posted December 23, 2023 I've been enjoying the back and forth between sk and jf but godddamn. Justa is literally, repeatedly, saying what happened did not actually happen. Yes, the southern strategy happened. You can say it didn't ad nauseum but you're dead wrong. The conservative democrats of that age are percent Republicans now. They absolutely changed parties. It is fucking ridiculous that this very observable fact is being attacked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted December 23, 2023 Report Share Posted December 23, 2023 2 hours ago, WG53 said: I've been enjoying the back and forth between sk and jf but godddamn. Justa is literally, repeatedly, saying what happened did not actually happen. Yes, the southern strategy happened. You can say it didn't ad nauseum but you're dead wrong. The conservative democrats of that age are percent Republicans now. They absolutely changed parties. It is fucking ridiculous that this very observable fact is being attacked. I'm not saying the Southern strategy wasn't a thing or that many didn't change parties. Of course, they did. If someone tried to say that Democrats were racist based on their voting record, I would bring up many of the same points. The Democrats of that day are not representative of Democrats today, so it wouldn't be fair to say Dems were racist based on that voting record. My point is that it is an inaccurate representation to pretend that only 'conservatives' fought for civil rights and 'progressives' were fighting for civil rights. That's an unfair representation of what happened. Plenty of progressives and conservatives were on both sides of that issue in both parties and to pretend there weren't is disingenuous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG53 Posted December 23, 2023 Report Share Posted December 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Justafan said: I'm not saying the Southern strategy wasn't a thing or that many didn't change parties. Of course, they did. If someone tried to say that Democrats were racist based on their voting record, I would bring up many of the same points. The Democrats of that day are not representative of Democrats today, so it wouldn't be fair to say Dems were racist based on that voting record. My point is that it is an inaccurate representation to pretend that only 'conservatives' fought for civil rights and 'progressives' were fighting for civil rights. That's an unfair representation of what happened. Plenty of progressives and conservatives were on both sides of that issue in both parties and to pretend there weren't is disingenuous. If you are making the point that people from all walks of life can/are be racist and prejudice...then I agree. Southerners were not and are not the only racists. But yes, the parties did split along their lines by how they reacted to the Civil rights act. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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