titanruss Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 11 hours ago, oldschool said: Jfc no no no no. It'd been proven over and over again. One of the biggest misconceptions in sports. No it hasn't. It was studied like once Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 Look at these numbers. you want to know why the Titans face so many 8 man fronts? The Titans make it easy for defenses to do so by being in 11 less than anyone else other than the Vikings (29%) last year. guess who else faces a ton of 8 man fronts? Dalvin Cook. 2020 11 - 38% (410 plays) 12 - 35% (373 plays) 21 - 10% (110 plays) 13 - 9% (100 plays) Also let me throw the gauntlet down one last time. Here are the nextgen stats on rushing against 8 man boxes last year. Henry isn't even in the top 10 of percentage of 8 man fronts faced! Any other bullshit you guys want to spout? https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/rushing/2020/REG/all#percent-eight-defenders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
japan Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 I guess we have to revisit every argument in board history because of this clown Cinabon? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted September 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 This Guy Knows. You start at the :58 mark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 23 minutes ago, pat said: Henry coming off the field on third down destroys @Starkiller's position. What the hell does that have to do with the play action passing game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Number9 said: This Guy Knows. You start at the :58 mark. But what the fuck does Tannehill know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 19 minutes ago, oldschool said: Try thinking for yourself. Break down why if what SK claims, is playaction not drastically more successful out of 3TE? you can't because you have no idea what you watch each week other than Henry getting the ball and going off on defenses. That's your ceiling. 3 TE formations? That’s some stupid shit. You are judging play action does with only 1 WR on the field? Get the fuck out of here… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 Just now, Starkiller said: 3 TE formations? That’s some stupid shit. You are judging play action does with only 1 WR on the field? Get the fuck out of here… your stance is 8 and 9 man fronts make it easier to playaction. How do you think you get to 9 man fronts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 12 minutes ago, oldschool said: Look at these numbers. you want to know why the Titans face so many 8 man fronts? The Titans make it easy for defenses to do so by being in 11 less than anyone else other than the Vikings (29%) last year. guess who else faces a ton of 8 man fronts? Dalvin Cook. 2020 11 - 38% (410 plays) 12 - 35% (373 plays) 21 - 10% (110 plays) 13 - 9% (100 plays) Also let me throw the gauntlet down one last time. Here are the nextgen stats on rushing against 8 man boxes last year. Henry isn't even in the top 10 of percentage of 8 man fronts faced! Any other bullshit you guys want to spout? https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/rushing/2020/REG/all#percent-eight-defenders It’s hard to run block defenders out of 11 personnel down after down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 1 minute ago, tgo said: It’s hard to run block defenders out of 11 personnel down after down. Lots of teams run out of 11. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, oldschool said: your stance is 8 and 9 man fronts make it easier to playaction. How do you think you get to 9 man fronts? You sure as fuck don’t have to go to 3 TEs. Teams stack the box against Henry plus 2 WRs all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, oldschool said: Lots of teams run out of 11. Yeah but not run-first power football teams. I mean, obviously the Titans do sometimes and Downing even apparently runs it out of the spread from time to time! My point was simply that they are intent on running the ball as much as possible and teams know this, so the blocking scheme is hat on a hat. They want to give the ball to Henry come hell or high water. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 My .0000002 cents... If we didn't have Derrick Henry the play-action would be irrelevant. The offense overall would suffer. You don't subtract a back like Henry and not experience pains. Play-action is irrelevant to that and arguing about it is like arguing po-tay-toh or po-tah-toe. Henry isn't the reason play-action is successful. He's why the offense is successful. Now run the same argument for Ryan Tannehill. The result is exactly the same. Great players make great offenses, not the other way around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 14 minutes ago, Starkiller said: You sure as fuck don’t have to go to 3 TEs. Teams stack the box against Henry plus 2 WRs all the time. Do you know what 12 personnel is? 2WR/2TE. The Titans ran 38% of their plays out of this formation last year. That formation all but dictates an 8 man front unless one of the TEs is split out which happens on occasion. Regardless, Henry was 17th in the league in 8 man fronts faced last year percentage wise. The Titans ran 520 plays with 2TE on the field last year. They ran another 100 plays out of 21 (FB + TE). Long story short, the Titans face so many 8 man fronts because of their personnel groupings which @BudsOilers explained to you earlier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 55 minutes ago, titanruss said: No it hasn't. It was studied like once There have been multiple studies done by various analytics firms encompassing nearly a decade of NFL data. You're being overly dismissive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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