AJClown Posted June 8, 2020 Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 Do you support a statue in the public square of a general of a foreign army that attacked the US and killed hundreds of thousands of Americans? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted June 8, 2020 Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 No. We put up statues to honor and that shouldn't be done for traitors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted June 8, 2020 Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 Confederate statues belong on historic battlefields or in museums as history teaching lessons, not in public squares as monuments or memorials. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitansFan777 Posted June 8, 2020 Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, tgo said: Confederate statues belong on historic battlefields or in museums as history teaching lessons, not in public squares as monuments or memorials. Agreed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted June 8, 2020 Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 My initial stance on this topic was that the monuments and statues should remain as confederate history is part of American history. Then I found out the majority of the monuments were erected 50+ years after the civil war and were intended to be signs of white pride rather than historical markers. Tear them all down and move them to museums or historical battlefields like @tgo stated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted June 8, 2020 Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 Wordsmithing here, because I think words are kind of important right now, I'd say transfer the statues rather than tear them down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted June 8, 2020 Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, begooode said: Wordsmithing here, because I think words are kind of important right now, I'd say transfer the statues rather than tear them down. Fair point and accurate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted June 8, 2020 Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 There is a national civil war museum in Harrisburg Pa., not too far from Gettysburg. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJClown Posted June 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 56 minutes ago, Rolltide said: Note that all confederates were members of the democrat party before and after. They were also members of the far right racist anti catholic know nothing party. You libtards would be destroying your democrat heritage by removing those statues. Just saying. Fine with me. Why are conservatives so eager now to protect the "democrat heritage"? And by the way. They were most certainly Southern conservatives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJClown Posted June 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 3 hours ago, ctm said: No. We put up statues to honor and that shouldn't be done for traitors. Like the traitor general Lee.....right, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJClown Posted June 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, Rolltide said: Name a conservative on this board who is in arguing with you. I don't see any. I know you feel the need to defend your evil asshole party. DNC forever! From slavery to abortion to defunding the police I see a very consistent attempt to harm black folks. Good thing republicans and libertarians have always stood in the way. You cant debate anything. You seem historicially challenged. And perhaps have a very tiny brain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No1TitansFan Posted June 8, 2020 Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 2 hours ago, oldschool said: My initial stance on this topic was that the monuments and statues should remain as confederate history is part of American history. Then I found out the majority of the monuments were erected 50+ years after the civil war and were intended to be signs of white pride rather than historical markers. Tear them all down and move them to museums or historical battlefields like @tgo stated. The vast majority of them were erected as part of the Lost Cause movement which was meant to revise history to put the Confederacy in a much better light and justify the severe Jim Crowe policies meant to deny former slaves any standing in southern society. A lot of it was tolerated because it was felt at the time that it would finally bring resentful southerners who still were bitter over the war back into the national fold, it actually had the opposite effect, predictably. A large part of it was also to discredit Grant and tarnish his legacy, which actually has still been carried forward to this day. Lee suddenly became the hero and Grant was the drunken tyrannical butcher laying waste to the south. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyitsmeallen Posted June 8, 2020 Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 Get rid of them all. They belong on battle fields or museums, not in town squares to be idolized. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted June 8, 2020 Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Rolltide said: Note that all confederates were members of the democrat party before and after. They were also members of the far right racist anti catholic know nothing party. You do know the parties completely switched platforms right? All southern Dems are now Republicans... just ask your parents who they and their parents voted for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted June 8, 2020 Report Share Posted June 8, 2020 Washington, Jefferson, Monroe, Madison, Grant, Jackson, .. amoing others all owned slaves. Lincoln expemted areas from the emancipation proclamation for his friends benefits as well as wanting to deport/segregate slaves. No one is exempt in our history from past indiscretions. You have to think of the context of the statue, why it was erected. Then you have a reason to move it/ take it down if needed. But you also have to think of the context of the times. Was the person monumental in building the country/area to where it is today? What were their other endeavors? Where they violent to their slaves (which were accepted as a normal part of life at the time)? This whole "put it in a museum" thing just doesnt work at all. Its a burden on the museums who make money from rotating exhibits, there's storage, transport, and no money for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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