Mythos27 Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 Haven't seen this discussed around here but here ya go. so much for Russian innocence. http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/report-dutch-spies-caught-russian-hackers-video-52625529 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titansfanfamily Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 Fake news because? Is this just your assumption because it doesn't support your view, or have you thoroughly researched the story? Just curious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thor Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, ben4titans said: It's fake news for many reasons, the easiest being, the DNC wasn't hacked. It was a leak. Hasn't it already been stated the info had to be gotten on sight because of the transfer rate of the information? But whatever fits one's narrative I suppose... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 15 minutes ago, TennesseeTuxedo said: There is a mountain of evidence linking Hillary, Obama and their ilk with the Russians. We we were told that a bunch of fake news would thrown out by the fake news media. Thanks. That's all I needed to know, my mindless comrade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titansfanfamily Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 Ok got it. Fake news because you "were told" so. My baaaaaaaaaaaaad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanDuckFan Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 The article says they have been doing this since 2014. If they have proof, and have been following cozy bear for 3 years, then they already have the goods and this will be a slam dunk. Yet it's not, and we have CrowdStrike and the alphabet agencies running around peddling the latest theories. Why? Aren't the Dutch our buddies? Members of NATO? This smells funny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted January 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 hours ago, TitanDuckFan said: The article says they have been doing this since 2014. If they have proof, and have been following cozy bear for 3 years, then they already have the goods and this will be a slam dunk. Yet it's not, and we have CrowdStrike and the alphabet agencies running around peddling the latest theories. Why? Aren't the Dutch our buddies? Members of NATO? This smells funny. The Dutch didn't want anyone to know that they had this. They're actually pretty unhappy that this out as they shared this info with us in private and didn't want anyone to know it came them. I won't pretend to know why they're being so guarded about it but are. NATO members or not, we don't know this affects their national interests or security. Not everything can be viewed purely through an American-centric lens. Like many have said, no one has any idea what Mueller knows. Trump's frenzied behavior shows he's not just annoyed by the investigation but legitimately afraid of it and he should be because far from an innocent man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 4 hours ago, TitanDuckFan said: The article says they have been doing this since 2014. If they have proof, and have been following cozy bear for 3 years, then they already have the goods and this will be a slam dunk. Yet it's not, and we have CrowdStrike and the alphabet agencies running around peddling the latest theories. Why? Aren't the Dutch our buddies? Members of NATO? This smells funny. Ummm, it is a slam dunk. There is no doubt in any intelligence agency around the globe that the Russians hacked us. The only person who seems to doubt it is Trump because he feels it degrades his win. This reporting lays out rather clearly that not only did the Russians hack us, but that the fucking Dutch were watching them do it and let us know. This article has nothing to do with collusion, whatsoever. Much like Trump, people tend to conflate the issue but that's a HUGE mistake. Trump and his ilk are leaving us vulnerable to future cyber attacks from the Russians because they're so busy defending the whole collusion aspect. Collusion is just a part of the story and it may or may not be true. What we do know is the Russians attacked and yet this administration's response has been to do absolutely fucking nothing to discourage future attacks. ETA: As far as the collusion aspect of this, we don't know what the Dutch passed to our intelligence folks regarding that aspect of the crime. They hacked a camera at the Cozy Bear facility but I SERIOUSLY doubt the Russians invited any Trump people in to check out the facility considering, ya know, it's top secret shit. The only thing the Dutch may have caught was electronic comms between the Kremlin and Cozy Bear but those potential comms were likely highly encrypted...aka worthless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanDuckFan Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 25 minutes ago, mmmmmbeeer said: This reporting lays out rather clearly that not only did the Russians hack us, but that the fucking Dutch were watching them do it and let us know. This reporting says no such thing. I read what's at the link provided, and I read the actual Dutch article it's taken from. https://www.volkskrant.nl/media/dutch-agencies-provide-crucial-intel-about-russia-s-interference-in-us-elections~a4561913/ Both make a number of suppositions about whether or not cozy bear hacked the DNC but at NO POINT does either article claim that. Yes there is that implication, but it says nothing of the sort. Certainly no definitive conclusion. They explain what took place in 2014, and how the Dutch clued the NSA and the CIA in to what cozy bear was doing, and helped them ward off the attack on our national systems, but neither article goes beyond speculation that the DNC was hacked by cozy bear in 2015 or 2016. Only that they hacked the White House. Yes, they claim cozy bear was capable, but not that they have any proof that the DNC's emails ended up in the hands of the Russians due to the efforts of cozy bear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG53 Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 7 hours ago, TennesseeTuxedo said: There is a mountain of evidence linking Hillary, Obama and their ilk with the Russians. We we were told that a bunch of fake news would thrown out by the fake news media. X Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzTitan Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 4 hours ago, JakePA_Titan said: There's good reason the Netherlands didnt want this out there. They gained the intel illegally. I'm willing to bet that every piece of intelligence gathered is considered illegal by those it was gathered against. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 Pure comedy in some of these posts on this topic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted January 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 4 hours ago, rns90 said: Pure comedy in some of these posts on this topic. They're scrambling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pamo9 Posted January 31, 2018 Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 Menendez charges dropped Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted January 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 hours ago, JakePA_Titan said: Dems are the only ones scrambling. Kind of like McCabe scrambled to his early retirement. He just couldn't wait. Wonder why.... More and more corruption being magnified constantly. https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/01/senator-menendezs-ongoing-corruption-trial-has-democrats-scrambling-for-a-plan-b/ Only a matter of time before the whole ship goes down. Then you have this.... https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/top-dnc-official-out-after-less-year-job-n842371 Says she will leave it stabilized if not fully recovered. Then go on to talk about firing their finance director and how a "shakeup" (which we all know what thats is) that "reignited" tensions with Sanders' allies. What great journalism by NBC. Lol Even in her own statement "our work remains far from over". Shit, I thought it was stabilized if not FULLY RECOVERED. Lol Ppl throughout the DNC and FBI fleeing quickly. Whether it's because their corrupt asses are being forced or they are leaving on their own terms before they are forced as well. She sees the shit hole that the DNC is becoming and wants out. Quick! On top of that, they thought they were slick. Poor bastards. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/01/31/ouch-maybe-this-is-why-democrats-were-so-surly-at-trumps-state-of-the-union-n2442200 Your perception of the President and his goons strategically targeting the people who have his nuts in a vice is that they're the ones scurrying away from what's coming? You're probably one of the who thought Mueller's real targets were Hillary and Obama. There is no need for all the conspiracies you and your ilk and trying to sell the rest of us. The truth is plain to see and easy to understand. 1.The President had unsavory contacts with Russia. Whether or not the contacts were illegal/treasonous is being investigated but for the sake of simplicity let's say they were legal. Legal or not, Trump and his team knew it would look bad especially given how much they had denied these contacts. They knew that if someone went digging for the contacts, they'd find them. When Comey started to look Trump fired him and then bragged to his Russian pals, thinking he'd put it to bed. Unfortunately for him, he was too dumb to realize that this would trigger a call for a special prosecutor and now he's in a worse jam. Rather than let the investigation run it's course (which is what an innocent person would do) he fired or everyone he can that could hold him accountable. Those he can't fire he and his goons have smeared so as to poison the well. The end goal is that when the damaging info from Mueller comes out (and it will be VERY damaging) the public will be so incredulous of the investigators that the report won't be believed. It all amounts to clear and deliberate obstruction of justice. It's not going to work but it's the only card they have left to play. Simple. No need for secret societies, shadow governments, or convoluted dot-connecting. Just simple truth that anyone with eyes and ears can confirm for themselves. Lies are complicated, the truth is simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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