Mythos27 Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 I like PFF but damn, they really need to take a look at how they evaluate QBs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Just now, hotstepper said: What is the math with Cutler's passer rating? PFF grades the throws by the QB, the passes to Matthews on the 55 yard screen have the same grade whether the WR gets 2 yards or 55 yards for the TD. Cutler had one really good game with a higher passer rating. I'd guess PFF graded the throws in that game better than throws in MM's best game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonboy Posted October 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Wait, wait, wait...Cutler's grade was higher than Mariota in any game this year?! How did I miss that one? Holy crap, their QB grades need major work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 5 hours ago, OILERMAN said: What about the passer rating? Mariota has a 20 point better passer rating in the seahawks game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 3 hours ago, Jonboy said: Wait, wait, wait...Cutler's grade was higher than Mariota in any game this year?! How did I miss that one? Holy crap, their QB grades need major work. Dead serious, I believe when Flacco threw for 28 yards & 2 picks against the Jags that he either had the same or better grade than Marcus did against Seattle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 This is why grading QB's is so much more difficult than other positions. For example, PFF always seems to point out how our dominant OL gives Marcus all day to throw. Well, it was pretty obvious today that Marcus helps the OL ALOT. That's the first thing that stuck out to me, was how much more lethargic Cassell was in his movements. OL is important, but great QB's mitigate bad OL play. Peyton, in basically every year of his career, was rarely sacked. I doubt he had a great OL for 17 straight years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanLegend Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 6 hours ago, Face said: BTW they have McCourty rated as a top corner this year, I really shouldn't be shocked. It somehow totally figures that he'd go elsewhere & dominate. McCourty's issue here was never his level of play when healthy. Last year before his injury he was rated as like a top 12 corner by PFF. It's that he'd always get some nagging injury that'd have him playing at like 60%. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanDuckFan Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 57 minutes ago, Face said: This is why grading QB's is so much more difficult than other positions. For example, PFF always seems to point out how our dominant OL gives Marcus all day to throw. Well, it was pretty obvious today that Marcus helps the OL ALOT. That's the first thing that stuck out to me, was how much more lethargic Cassell was in his movements. OL is important, but great QB's mitigate bad OL play. Peyton, in basically every year of his career, was rarely sacked. I doubt he had a great OL for 17 straight years. But it isn't just "great QB play" in this case. The zone-read (and Mariota's ability to execute it) is playing into more aspects of this offense than anyone seems to realize. Whether they use it or not, the threat of it must be in the game plan for a DC. It has to be considered on EVERY shotgun snap. And that boils down to the threat Mariota's running contributes. You can't run-blitz an OZR play without getting your ass handed to you. (see Clowney's mistake on MM's TD run) LBers have to stay home for (at least) a one count, and read/react to shut down the IZR/OZR offense (ask David Shaw or Derek Mason). Henry's lack of a quick start is helped immensely by the ZR plays. The instant of hesitation required by the front 7 to diagnose what's happening is being used to get Henry the step or two he needs to get rolling. And with the lack of those plays Henry was SHUT DOWN the last two weeks. Like it or not, laugh or not, mock all you want. This offense is designed around Marcus' ability to burn a defense with his legs (post reads) and quick decisions. The RBs reap the benefits, the O-Line benefits, and even the pass game benefits when defenses must hesitate to that degree. The possibility of the ZR play has to be considered by the defense every time Marcus is in the shotgun with a RB on his hip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 We finally found a QB who can execute Mularkey’s offense. Look for Cassel to retain the starting gig as the season roles on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 8 minutes ago, Titans279 said: We finally found a QB who can execute Mularkey’s offense. Look for Cassel to retain the starting gig as the season roles on. They might as well just sign Kaepernick and make Curtis and goodluckcharm happy. Because QB clearly isn't a focal point of the offense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Cassell had an ESPN QBR of 17 in the Miami game, which is beyond horrific. Even more impressive, he had a negative 91 DVOA on FO, which HAS to be a record for worst game ever. I've never seen anything like that on FO. Put it this way.....a DVOA of 45 is amazing, Brady & Manning have only gotten a handful of 45's in their career. So Cassel was twice as bad in this game as they usually are good. Marcus Mariota is top 8 in FO & about 12th in QBR, the Houston game dropped him a bunch. Anyway, Id say these 2 are a lot more accurate considering the Titans scored a billion points against the 2 best defenses in the league with Marcus starting & couldn't even put up 200 yards with Cassell in his start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 4 hours ago, Face said: Cassell had an ESPN QBR of 17 in the Miami game, which is beyond horrific. Even more impressive, he had a negative 91 DVOA on FO, which HAS to be a record for worst game ever. I've never seen anything like that on FO. Put it this way.....a DVOA of 45 is amazing, Brady & Manning have only gotten a handful of 45's in their career. So Cassel was twice as bad in this game as they usually are good. Marcus Mariota is top 8 in FO & about 12th in QBR, the Houston game dropped him a bunch. Anyway, Id say these 2 are a lot more accurate considering the Titans scored a billion points against the 2 best defenses in the league with Marcus starting & couldn't even put up 200 yards with Cassell in his start. cossel basically said cassel can't play any more. QBR and FO takes more into account Mariota's running., pretty sure PPPP only judges passing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 Sabermetrics certainly work for baseball given how much of the game can be framed into individual performances from pitch to pitch. Football just has waaayyy too many moving parts performing in concert to evaluate individual performances, imo. 22 guys on the field and one player fucking up can lead to 21 other players reacting differently than they typically would. I'm not saying that there's no value in individual statistical analysis in football but, due to the nature of the game, the formulas/equations can't account for all the variables in play during any given play or game. The guys at PFF are trying to capitalize on the success of sabermetrics but are seemingly selling a false bill of goods. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 2 hours ago, OILERMAN said: cossel basically said cassel can't play any more. And we gave him an extension... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonboy Posted October 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Can't wait to see Mariota get a lower rating this week than Cassel last week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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