oldschool Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 I call bullshit on this. Sounds like the Trump camp planting a story to damage McMasters when resigns because he knows Trump is a total buffoon. By all accounts he's a stand up guy who values honor and integrity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted May 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Justafan said: What? McMasters is one of the strongest cabinet members he has. He would really piss off the military and it would be a huge misstep both political and practically. This pretty much tells me it's going to happen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 46 minutes ago, ben4titans said: Good question, who is advising Trump? Beats me but the buck stops with him. Trump's last guy, Michael Flynn wasn't exactly a pacifist and many feared he would march us down the road to war so that's 2 for 2 in terms of bringing in warhawks if you're correct about McMasters. Maybe Trump is more of a hawk than you think? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: Beats me but the buck stops with him. Trump's last guy, Michael Flynn wasn't exactly a pacifist and many feared he would march us down the road to war so that's 2 for 2 in terms of bringing in warhawks if you're correct about McMasters. Maybe Trump is more of a hawk than you think? I don't think Ben "thinks". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolfolksunclesuncle Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 8 minutes ago, Titans279 said: This pretty much tells me it's going to happen This, interestingly, is true...Imagine if he actually had some personal awareness and sprouted some empathy. He could pull a George Costanza and actively do the opposite of what he would usually do and likely go down as one of the greatest Presidents in U.S. history. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 How long before Trump finds his laptop and tweets a correction to clear everything up? One little 140 character tweet should be enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 Trump is just trying to figure out this classified vs unclassified stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 6 hours ago, ben4titans said: He is a voice of the establishment. Military interventionism all over the world. 5 hours ago, ben4titans said: He wanted major boots on ground in Syria and now is pushing for Afghan surge. LOL. You have no idea what your talking about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 5 hours ago, Mythos27 said: Beats me but the buck stops with him. Trump's last guy, Michael Flynn wasn't exactly a pacifist and many feared he would march us down the road to war so that's 2 for 2 in terms of bringing in warhawks if you're correct about McMasters. Maybe Trump is more of a hawk than you think? McMasters is a forward thinker and wants to get ahead of adversaries. He's never been known as a "hawk". Ben is making this shit up as he goes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 4 hours ago, ben4titans said: He is leaning too heavy on Priebus. Flynn wasn't a hawk like McMaster. Also you gotta give Trump credit for not escalating Syria after air strikes. There weren't many dissenting voices to McMaster's plan. Don't think I would call Trump a hawk just yet. McMaster's 'reportedly' questioned the strategy of using the Kurds to retake land in Syria. He's got pretty good reasoning for it too. There were a ton of dissenters to McMaster's plan, if you believe these 'reports'. Publicly, he's described the strategy as thus: "We are conducting very effective operations alongside our partners in Syria and in Iraq to defeat ISIS, to destroy ISIS and reestablish control of that territory, control of those populations, protect those populations, allow refugees to come back, begin reconstruction." That hardly sounds hawkish to me. There's a ton of Talks McMasters has put out and some of them are on youtube. The guy is obviously very bright and NOT a hawk if you listen to him. I find it pretty ironic that you immediately dismiss any news that disputes your agenda of Trump but then cling to 'reports' aka rumors that support the vision you have of him. Ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 This thread: "Trump reveals highly classified info to Russian official" "Turns out it may not have been true..." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stranger Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 Russia denies Trump shared classified information... Trump contradicts and says he did share information with the Russians... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 7 hours ago, ben4titans said: He is leaning too heavy on Priebus. Flynn wasn't a hawk like McMaster. Also you gotta give Trump credit for not escalating Syria after air strikes. There weren't many dissenting voices to McMaster's plan. Don't think I would call Trump a hawk just yet. Hahaha Trump was never going to do anything significant to Syria. The air strikes themselves were a show. 4 minutes ago, Stranger said: Russia denies Trump shared classified information... Trump contradicts and says he did share information with the Russians... Of course he does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 38 minutes ago, ben4titans said: You can deny reality if you like, but I am right. No. You listen to too much day time talk radio propaganda. You have no idea whether you are actually right or not and are in no position to have an actual informed opinion on the matter. Your assumptions are what make you weak. Reality is a fickle thing it seems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 37 minutes ago, ben4titans said: I don't deny that he is bright, but he is a hawk. "In Iraq and Afghanistan, for example, gaps between prior visions of future warfare and the nature of the eventual wars themselves complicated efforts to adapt strategy over time. Minimalist, linear plans – in place at the outset of both wars – were disconnected from the ambition of broader policy objectives and the complexity of the operating environment. Indeed, recent war plans have, at times, been essentially narcissistic, failing to account for interactions with determined enemies and other complicating variables." McMaster's words. He was a huge proponent for reducing force size and changing tactics in Iraq and Afghanistan. The tactic he used as a Brigade commander became the key cornerstone tactic that future Brigades used in order to eventually bring enough stability to Iraq that we were able to pull out before getting sucked into a civil war. A war that McMaster's called (and many other generals) a long time ago. Again, you have no fucking clue what you are talking about right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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