Dmeade- Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 I can see why Butler is pissed. They made him a RFA, then went out and signed Gilmore to a top CB salary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mythos27 Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 I love Ryan but Butler is just better. He can go toe to toe with both Antonio Brown and Odell and hold his own. he doesn't do it by playing safe either. He challenges every single route. I love his game, the price is too steep though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepingTitan Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 1 hour ago, StephenIsLegend said: Demarco was a stud and had a down year with Philly. What are you talking about? I think they call that farting, not talking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepingTitan Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Have yall seen the CashMeOusside girl on YouTube telling Dr. Phil that she "made him" like Oprah did? She basically said she resurrected his career lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Check out Butler here against Odell. He gives up a big TD early but watch how he plays him the rest of the game. Kid is a dog. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3g27vJw4kk This one is an epic battle against Antonio Brown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dALNoaC74Ww You could say that since these guys scored TDs on his that they got the best of him but the way I see it this guy is doing a good job slowing down 2 guys that I haven't really seen anyone stop yet. He's a very good corner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeedoeLaw Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 42 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: Check out Butler here against Odell. He gives up a big TD early but watch how he plays him the rest of the game. Kid is a dog. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3g27vJw4kk This one is an epic battle against Antonio Brown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dALNoaC74Ww You could say that since these guys scored TDs on his that they got the best of him but the way I see it this guy is doing a good job slowing down 2 guys that I haven't really seen anyone stop yet. He's a very good corner. I think Antonio Brown said Butler is the CB that gives him the most trouble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitansGuru Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 People overvalue draft picks too much. You take a corner at 18 hoping that he can turn into someone like Butler, when the reality is that you really have about a 39% chance of a pick in the first turning into someone of his caliber. (I've been reading a lot of research papers on this and doing some data modeling on draft picks for a project I'm working on.) Yes, you'll have to pay him, but he's way more of a known quantity at the position than anyone you can get in the draft right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
socaltitan Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Teams value the contractual control at a much cheaper cost. Otherwise more teams would do it. Doesn't happen very often. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreepingDeath Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 14 minutes ago, TitansGuru said: People overvalue draft picks too much. You take a corner at 18 hoping that he can turn into someone like Butler, when the reality is that you really have about a 39% chance of a pick in the first turning into someone of his caliber. (I've been reading a lot of research papers on this and doing some data modeling on draft picks for a project I'm working on.) Yes, you'll have to pay him, but he's way more of a known quantity at the position than anyone you can get in the draft right now. I am not positioning myself as an expert on Butler (or any other player), but most FAs seem to struggle in replicating their success on a new team (with a few high profile exceptions - Deon Sanders). Fans should figure in the transition time it takes for the player to learn the system as well as the coaches to learn the player's strengths and weaknesses. However, a veteran FA is already acclimated to the NFL (the talent as well as the changes in personal life) where a rookie has a learning curve. A rookie, though, does not have habits formed and may be more pliable to molding by coaches. On the same hand, a vet may already be use to a similar system and can pick it up faster. So many variables! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitansGuru Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 12 minutes ago, CreepingDeath said: I am not positioning myself as an expert on Butler (or any other player), but most FAs seem to struggle in replicating their success on a new team (with a few high profile exceptions - Deon Sanders). Fans should figure in the transition time it takes for the player to learn the system as well as the coaches to learn the player's strengths and weaknesses. However, a veteran FA is already acclimated to the NFL (the talent as well as the changes in personal life) where a rookie has a learning curve. A rookie, though, does not have habits formed and may be more pliable to molding by coaches. On the same hand, a vet may already be use to a similar system and can pick it up faster. So many variables! That's true and is something I thought about, too. I just haven't looked into any research on that yet since I'm just focusing on the draft. I did find this, which is interesting: http://www.sportsplusnumbers.com/2014/02/the-value-of-free-agents-in-nfl-part-4.html A cornerback who changes teams will perform 9% worse than he would have had he stayed on the prior team. That's actually the best number out of free agent players. Here in the chart: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huston Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Well damn did think it was that big of a difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 There are so many factors such as coachability, scheme fit, adjustment to a new locker room/city, and here's another big one - how the person reacts to getting more money than they have ever had before. Do they stay as motivated? Do they put more pressure on themselves to live up to the contract? You figure that players that are retained on 2nd contracts as core players at least have the scheme fit, coaching, locker room, and city/housing down. Adjusting to bigger paychecks/expectations applies regardless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepingTitan Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Article on Butler losing leverage in negotiations. Once again, when they talk about teams with draft capital and a decent cap size, they forget about Titans: http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/03/14/where-malcolm-butler-lost-all-his-leverage-with-patriots/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeedoeLaw Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Check out @AlbertBreer's Tweet: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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