headhunter Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 6 minutes ago, thor said: Because Osemele plays like "The Grimm Reaper" did ---by the way the only "Hog" in the HOF... You're really passionate about guards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, thor said: Because Osemele plays like "The Grimm Reaper" did ---by the way the only "Hog" in the HOF... Is it because Webster gave the guard position so much attention? and you expect the same from Robinson? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenIsLegend Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 17 hours ago, freakingeek said: Who are the other 3? Off the top of my head, I can't really recall. I mean, I most certainly could be wrong. I guess the game against the jags kinda skewed my view a little bit. Eiher that, or the fact we are really good at something is just strange to me after all these years of shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thor Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 4 hours ago, headhunter said: You're really passionate about guards You're damn right I am...They protect the QB---the face of the franchise...I respect and praise all the linemen that get little credit... That goes from one side of line to the other...and especially--- Starke--Grimm--Bostic--May--Jacoby--Warren--Walker and "Boss Hogg" Joe Bugel... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, thor said: You're damn right I am...They protect the QB---the face of the franchise...I respect and praise all the linemen that get little credit... That goes from one side of line to the other...and especially---Starke--Grimm--Bostic--May--Jacoby--Warren--Walker and "Boss Hogg" Joe Bugel... We'll you're in luck I heard the Titans were the #1 rated Oline. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thor Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 28 minutes ago, headhunter said: Is it because Webster gave the guard position so much attention? and you expect the same from Robinson? Yes that's fine--and I would hope so---Webster may have sucked overall as far as putting a team together--- But, Webster did draft Lewan, Mariota, and brought in some good players here and there---anyone that would find drafting Warmack as a fault with Munchack and Matthews as coaches must know a lot more than me, but that's not saying much... I have to laugh at @Soxcat liking the comments---what an idiot... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakingeek Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 3 hours ago, StephenIsLegend said: Off the top of my head, I can't really recall. I mean, I most certainly could be wrong. I guess the game against the jags kinda skewed my view a little bit. Eiher that, or the fact we are really good at something is just strange to me after all these years of shit. It is rather shocking how quickly JRob turned the 25th ranked unit into the top rated unit in one year. Conklin had a lot to do with that as did the big leap by Lewan from year one to year two. The big unsung hero is Jones. He had a great job being stability to weak position where we really needed strength for Mariota's development, but losing Warmack and Bell and adding Kelly and Kline turned out to be genius. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 21 minutes ago, freakingeek said: It is rather shocking how quickly JRob turned the 25th ranked unit into the top rated unit in one year. Conklin had a lot to do with that as did the big leap by Lewan from year one to year two. The big unsung hero is Jones. He had a great job being stability to weak position where we really needed strength for Mariota's development, but losing Warmack and Bell and adding Kelly and Kline turned out to be genius. The OL was protected by scheme quite a bit. Coaching played a solid role, not just talent. This PFF rating is overstated but it's nice for something to be overrated for once. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 2 hours ago, Soxcat said: Ignore @thor he is now proving he is clueless by showing his support for Webster. Give Webster credit for taking Mariota but since he had little choice (WInston was gone and we obviously needed a QB) it was a no brainer. Lewan was a good pick as well. Ahhhh, it ends there unless you want to include Casey. Spain was the #19 rated OG .... pretty good. Someone wanted to sign Leary (Dallas) and Spain was better than him as well as better than Warford from Detroit. Josh Kline was ranked #27. Not bad either and one spot ahead of Kyle Long. Ahead of Mike Iupati, Alex Boone, DJ Fluker. Yea, our GM picked an OG off the waiver wire who played as well or better than Kyle Long, Mike Lupati, Alex Boone and DJ Fluker and the UDFA we have at the other OG is better than that. But damn right, spend a bunch of money on the interior? I mean there is the proof how dumb spending money or high draft picks on the OG spot can be. Not saying we wouldn't occasionally use a 3rd or even 2nd round pick on the right guy there but Fluker was a 1st round pick wasn't he? So was Lupati, Kyle Long, Now the deal with Ben Jone is damn near genius. If you look at pre FA rankings for FA centers Jones doesn't get a bunch of love. Kinda blah and are we sure this guy is any better than Schwenke? Yea, he isn't quite Frederick or Mack. But he is the #7 C in the league. As in better than Pouncy? Both of them. Better than Mangold, Slauson, Kalil..... Now, should we have done more at CB in FA. No doubt about that in hindsight. But I'm not sure anyone saw Cox playing at the ridiculous poor level he played. #119 with a rating of 35. This is a guy with a base salary of $5 mil. Can you imagine when Mularkey called him in to fire him? Parrish, we are going to have to let you go. You see, you absolutely suck. One of the worst CBs in the NFL. Now McCourty had a 74 rating and a little more presentable although that is good for #58 meaning he is a bottom of the barrel #2 CB. Close to not starting. JRob knows we have a problem. Searcy and Stafford had identical ratings and tied for 63rd place for S. So with 32 teams and 2 starting Ss per team ........you get the idea how horirble that is. Byard was ranked 42. Ben Jones would up a great signing. I wasn't in love with it at first, he was basically average until this year, but he also played hurt the last 2 years, which can make a very good player an average one. But JRob saw something & nailed him, great signing. Obviously we're set on OL & have plenty of other needs but there is something to be said about developing truly dominant units. A monster guard could push this OL into "one of the best OL's in years territory", especially because I think Conklin becomes a dominant run blocker next year. Maybe Tretola is that guy, he looked great in preseason. It would be nice having one of those OL's, like the Vermeil Chiefs were, that just totally take over games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 @Soxcat Webster brought in Spain as an UDFA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thor Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 It doesn't really matter who brought in who--or you can raise a JRob flag and waive it around--fine--Whoever got this line to play like they've been together for years was unbelievable...Whether that was scheme, coaching, or whatever the reason may be, holy smokes it worked...The interior of the line still could improve (ok--come whine about that) and needs work at opening holes---possibly, some size would help---I'm sure if changes are needed they know where... All this crap about JRob this and JRob that comes down to one thing imo...Changing the culture in the locker room---whether that was from AAS, JRob, coaching, team buying in, all of the parts together- whatever- I hope it only improves and progresses... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 He brought in our top 2 or 3 WRs, top 2 RBs, C, RG and RT. In a single year. That's just the offense, which was more his focus. It was an uncommonly good year for talent acquisition by a GM. Give it a rest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo59 Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, Soxcat said: Yes, Webster did bring in Spain the year before and deserves credit. JRob deserves credit for not trying to replace him with a big salary guy. Truthfuly Bell might have won that spot if he had not been hurt since they didn't need him at RT. Bell and Spain are solid.......MM rookie year showed both could play while the rest of the OL was a mess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thor Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 49 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: He brought in our top 2 or 3 WRs, top 2 RBs, C, RG and RT. In a single year. That's just the offense, which was more his focus. It was an uncommonly good year for talent acquisition by a GM. Give it a rest. Keep waving the flag...That's fine...It's not how I see it but it would suck if everyone went along like lemmings... What wide receivers Matthews and Sharpe was there another...(I'm serious) How could he not improve on the talent? Veteran center was a given-however, great choice in Jones... Masterful statement draft pick in Conklin!!! I didn't like what he gave up---but, how can you not applaud a statement pick... Where were the "starting" guards Warmack and Bell??? Then Spain injured...Then Schwenke injured... Then a cut player fell in his lap---blind luck---then, another great trade... I don't disagree he had a great year---I do believe there were others behind the success--as much if not more than JRob... I also believe he didn't help the D...possibly Dodd does that...Johnson and Byars weren't enough and his corners sucked... Am I wrong anywhere? Am I brow beating JRob or something? What am I saying that is incorrect? Because this is pretty much what I've said all along except for being very critical of Matthews early on---who outplayed his past... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted January 12, 2017 Report Share Posted January 12, 2017 Andre Johnson, for better or worse (worse, mostly) was a starter and in the top 3 rotation for half the year or so. I'm not waving a flag, I'm just stating reality. You don't often find that many quality contributors being added in a single year. You could argue the luck side, but the quality/quantity side isn't really debatable. And even then I'd say it's understated because what he did was so coherent. It wasn't just talent. It was talent that fit the scheme and approach to team building. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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