Legaltitan Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 I am a Vandy fan and obviously biased but I really felt like we missed an opportunity in not pursuing Hayward this offseason. He had had a couple of down years and I don't know what San Diego signed him for but I thought there was an opportunity to get a potential top cover corner for a discount price. I understand why they did not pursue top level FA and agreed, but I thought Hayward was perfect in that he was a top player at a position of need and was young and could likely be had for just under top tier dollars. I hate he has reverted back to his old form on another team. Caveat: I have no idea if Hayward fits our "scheme" or not. But I would think just about any team could make use of a Casey Hayward when he is on top of his game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 14 minutes ago, Legaltitan said: I am a Vandy fan and obviously biased but I really felt like we missed an opportunity in not pursuing Hayward this offseason. He had had a couple of down years and I don't know what San Diego signed him for but I thought there was an opportunity to get a potential top cover corner for a discount price. I understand why they did not pursue top level FA and agreed, but I thought Hayward was perfect in that he was a top player at a position of need and was young and could likely be had for just under top tier dollars. I hate he has reverted back to his old form on another team. Caveat: I have no idea if Hayward fits our "scheme" or not. But I would think just about any team could make use of a Casey Hayward when he is on top of his game. I've mentioned this a few a times, I think our record would be a game or two better. I always liked Hayward but the Packers typecasted him as a slot corner, big reason being they also had a few pure outside guys. But I loved Hayward & thought he was exactly what we needed, a smart, tough, instinctive corner. He basically has everything you need except true top end speed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiscotitansfan Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 6 hours ago, Face said: I always liked Hayward but the Packers typecasted him as a slot corner, big reason being they also had a few pure outside guys Not necessarily had a few outside guys, Packers went out of their way and drafted secondary very high. I get the sentiment but it is saying a lot to the league that you have a "very good" guy on your squad but you'd rather use 1sts and 2nds just because you don't want to open your wallet one bit? PS - I would have liked him too but if you are a team who is typically known as being cheap, I get why you wouldn't sign the guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nine Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Can't win 'em all. I seem to recall something about the Titans expressing interest in Hayward during free agency....but it obviously didn't work out. Considering the dumpster fire that was the Titans' 2015 season and the upheaval in the coaching staff and FO after the season ended, it could be that Hayward wasn't interested in signing on for a wholesale rebuild....not with a respectable offer from the Chargers on the table . Hard to blame him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 7 hours ago, Face said: I've mentioned this a few a times, I think our record would be a game or two better. I always liked Hayward but the Packers typecasted him as a slot corner, big reason being they also had a few pure outside guys. But I loved Hayward & thought he was exactly what we needed, a smart, tough, instinctive corner. He basically has everything you need except true top end speed. You know I have too, too many times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thor Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Osemele was the guy the Titans missed on... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanLegend Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 1 hour ago, thor said: Osemele was the guy the Titans missed on... Osemele is a fantastic player, but not really a guy we need. We have a better run blocking line than Oakland and have only allowed 6 more QB pressure than them(they've allowed 35, we've allowed 41..they're first, we're second). Spain is a good enough LG for the offense we run. Not having Osemele's contract eating up cap space for us, we have that much more for Lewan and soon Mariota/Conklin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thor Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 54 minutes ago, TitanLegend said: Osemele is a fantastic player, but not really a guy we need. We have a better run blocking line than Oakland and have only allowed 6 more QB pressure than them(they've allowed 35, we've allowed 41..they're first, we're second). Spain is a good enough LG for the offense we run. Not having Osemele's contract eating up cap space for us, we have that much more for Lewan and soon Mariota/Conklin. Osemele is again a pro bowl guard with another team...Known for his aggressive nature he would be a natural fit next to Lewan...At 27 years old he is young enough to fit in with this group of players...Osemele is also capable of playing 4 positions on the line---allowing a team to not miss a lick after a possible major injury...The Titans have been beyond fortunate that Russ Grimm is making the most out of a line that has lost 2 of it's starters through injury and came close to losing Spain... Bringing up money and cap space is ridiculous---you could have his contract paid up by the time the players on rookie contracts need deals... Osemele was exactly what this team needed at the time... One of the major flaws of some teams---always being reactive instead of proactive... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HigherLogic Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 Janoris Jenkins was the corner I wanted us to sign. Wanted to draft him when he came out as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted December 21, 2016 Report Share Posted December 21, 2016 6 minutes ago, HigherLogic said: Janoris Jenkins was the corner I wanted us to sign. Wanted to draft him when he came out as well He was a head case, though. Disturbing number of bonehead penalties, and unless he changed his ways drastically, was a contract extension risk with big money, iirc. There's a reason the Rams focused on Trumaine instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nine Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 That's the thing with free agency; you can't sign every good player who comes available to a huge contract. The team has to determine which areas are solid enough to move forward and which areas/positions require an immediate-but-expensive infusion of talent. Rather than shelling out big money for a guy like Osemele, JRob and Mularkey obviously felt comfortable keeping much of last year's OL unit intact and acquired only Ben Jones at center via free agency. Regardless what anyone thinks they SHOULD have done...we now see that their instincts were right on the money. Their instincts with the DB situation was less accurate. They thought they would be able to get solid play from the guys they had....but their belief and faith in last year's secondary has proven to be misplaced, resulting in Perrish Cox' dismissal and McCourty's reps decreasing and his future with the organization in doubt. It's safe to say the secondary will be a higher priority and get more critical consideration this off-season than last off-season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiscotitansfan Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 1 minute ago, nine said: That's the thing with free agency; you can't sign every good player who comes available to a huge contract. It about determining which areas are solid enough to move forward and which areas or positions need an immediate-but-expensive infusion of talent. Rather than shelling out big money for a guy like Osemele, JRob and Mularkey obviously felt comfortable keeping much of last year's OL unit intact and acquited only Jones at center via free agency. Regardless what anyone thinks they SHOULD have done...we now see that their instincts were right on the money. Their instincts with the DB situation was less accurate. They thought they would be able to get solid play from the guys they had....but their belief and faith in last year's secondary has shown to be misplaced, resulting in Perrish Cox' dismissal and McCourty's reps decreasing. It's safe to say the secondary will be a higher priority and get more critical consideration this off-season than last off-season. You can't even say they were off on secondary with FA signings... They could have just thought there wasn't any guy they wanted to sign long term so settled for the old vets who would gladly sign a short contract. They've been bad but serviceable, the plan all along was build from inside the trenches out.... Paying a CB in FA first is doing the exact opposite of their initial plan Trying to build a SB team this year would have been ludicrous in April ironically enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 21 minutes ago, thor said: Osemele is again a pro bowl guard with another team...Known for his aggressive nature he would be a natural fit next to Lewan...At 27 years old he is young enough to fit in with this group of players...Osemele is also capable of playing 4 positions on the line---allowing a team to not miss a lick after a possible major injury...The Titans have been beyond fortunate that Russ Grimm is making the most out of a line that has lost 2 of it's starters through injury and came close to losing Spain... So instead of going for Conklin, perhaps we wait out on Decker in the middle of Rd1 and keep the 2nd and 4th rd picks? Not going to disagree and that left side would have been brutal in the running game. As it played out though I don't think missing on Osemele is as impactful as you believe, however, as the Titans' Oline is among the leaders in all related performance measures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 39 minutes ago, HigherLogic said: Janoris Jenkins was the corner I wanted us to sign. Wanted to draft him when he came out as well He's been way better than I ever dreamed he'd be Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thor Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 1 hour ago, nine said: Rather than shelling out big money for a guy like Osemele, JRob and Mularkey obviously felt comfortable keeping much of last year's OL unit intact and acquired only Ben Jones at center via free agency. Regardless what anyone thinks they SHOULD have done...we now see that their instincts were right on the money. Actually, we are able to see their instincts were wrong...Both Bell and Warmack the "starting" guards at the time have been injured and the team didn't excel until after they were out...The Titans actually became fortunate in the situation where JRob was familiar with a player who was cut and put on the waiver wire---thanks to the past ineptness of the team we were #1 on the waiver wire and we able to save our asses...So due to pure dumb luck and some unbelievable coaching this team is producing more then anyone ever expected...Again, it allows me to point out why manning up and snatching Osemele would have been brilliant---not only in improving our depth but helping to add another Pro Bowl addition, a player with a great temperament, and it would have snatched a top OL from an opponent... Also, whenever you refer of Osemele one word that must be included is versatility---a fantastic bonus in a player of his Pro Bowl caliber... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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