freakingeek Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 Mariota has regressed. There's no doubt. I think the scheme we're running is not helping him succeed. He made some bad decisions today and he made some good throws. This team is just not that good yet. We have made OLine improvements and we are competitive. Much more competitive than we were last year. The two teams that beat us at home are winning tough games on the road and are legit playoff contenders and we hung with both of them. Our WRs are not helping our QB. We're still lacking in talent in several areas. This is a work in progress. I'm tired of losing but we are getting closer to notching some wins. It's just going to take time. Personally I think Mariota will come around. He has to have some help besides Murray and Walker. But I am still not in the "fire the entire staff and start over" camp. Save for one special teams breakdown, we nearly beat the Texans at home. We have a game next week. Let's get back to work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 OMAN makes some good points. There are definitely legitimate reasons to be worried about Mariota. The problem is that he is stuck defending the scheme and Mularkey. He said the scheme was excellent and tailored for Mariota. He also said he'd be surprised if the offense did not end up rated top 10 in DVOA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 34 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: Idk about this "scheme panic". When Locker was failing under Munchack's and later Loggains' shitty offense no one really blamed the offense, the board blamed Locker and were right. When Mett started throwing balls into the dirt and averaging more picks than TDs, the board blamed Mett and was right. Now Marcus is struggling under an offense that despite being a bit archaic, allows him time to throw and prevents him from taking the beatings our previous QBs (and he himself) have taken and we're all convinced the scheme is the primary culprit. I've seen him throw way too many bad balls to open guys lately to lay it all or even a majority of the blame at the feet of the staff. The OL is flourishing, the running backs/running game is the best we've seen in over a decade, and the receivers while not perfect ARE getting open ( though not as consistently as I would like). You have to remember that DBs pretty much know what routes our guys are going to run before the play and are jumping everything. It seems to me that almost every offensive position group has taken a step forward while Marcus has visibly regressed. I can't just discount that because I'm afraid of Marcus failing. If it's all the scheme why are so many pulling their weight while Marcus isn't? Agree with much of your take but the WR Corp is seriously pitiful. AJ stumbled out of break too on the last play, blew the timing completely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanDuckFan Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 10 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: Not necessarily. Teams are playing him differently. Many of us predicted last season that if he didn't develop his long game, we'd see DB's sitting on every route shorter than 12-15 yards and make him prove he can beat them deep. This is what's happening right now. I'm watching DBs quite literally run our receivers' routes for them in the short-intermediate range. IMO this is simply the result of DCs around the league breaking his tape down over the summer and saying "let's see if this kid can chuck it". So far he hasn't shown he can do it. I think this would've happened regardless of who the coach was or what scheme he ran. They've taken his bread and butter away and he hasn't figured out how to respond. The routes come first, and then the receivers have to be there. The deep ball to Matthews today was as close to perfect as it gets. It made no difference in how the secondary played the short routes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 4 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: Not necessarily. Teams are playing him differently. Many of us predicted last season that if he didn't develop his long game, we'd see DB's sitting on every route shorter than 12-15 yards and make him prove he can beat them deep. This is what's happening right now. I'm watching DBs quite literally run our receivers' routes for them in the short-intermediate range. IMO this is simply the result of DCs around the league breaking his tape down over the summer and saying "let's see if this kid can chuck it". So far he hasn't shown he can do it. I think this would've happened regardless of who the coach was or what scheme he ran. They've taken his bread and butter away and he hasn't figured out how to respond. We need extremely disciplined and quick WRs to adjust the defensive adjustments teams have made too. We don't have it. The whole thing is a mess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 5 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: We ran more of a prostyle offense under Munchak than we have under Mularkey. To hell with discussing the scheme, the play calls are as bad as I've ever watched. Seriously, are you all watching the games? Maybe I'm not watching the same games because to hear some of you tell it, Mularkey himself is out there throwing the ball directly to the opposing defense with an arc I've only seen while playing angry birds. Is the scheme or play-calling ideal? No. But I was told Mariota would be the type of QB that covered up a lot of these flaws and instead I'm watching a guy fall apart before my eyes and become a part of the problem. I doubt that when they installed the play he threw the pick on, Mularkey told him "hey make sure to throw the ball in such a way that your TE has no chance to catch it and hits the DB between the numbers". We're losing games because of turnovers and stupid penalties. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 16 minutes ago, scine09 said: Why? I mean that sincerely. Because both had offenses tailored to their strengths, and at no point did either ever look nearly as fluid as Mariota. VY had a good rookie season, and finally somewhat developed in 10 before going postal. Jake Locker...lol. You supported them until the end and are tucking tail on MM? LOL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 3 hours ago, scine09 said: Mularkey isn't throwing passes. this is so mind-numbingly blind its not even funny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 3 hours ago, Mythos27 said: Maybe I'm not watching the same games because to hear some of you tell it, Mularkey himself is out there throwing the ball directly to the opposing defense with an arc I've only seen while playing angry birds. Is the scheme or play-calling ideal? No. But I was told Mariota would be the type of QB that covered up a lot of these flaws and instead I'm watching a guy fall apart before my eyes and become a part of the problem. I doubt that when they installed the play he threw the pick on, Mularkey told him "hey make sure to throw the ball in such a way that your TE has no chance to catch it and hits the DB between the numbers". We're losing games because of turnovers and stupid penalties. "You were told" Went wrong there my friend. The kid is a second year player who needs good coaching. Anyone who thought he didn't need good coaching is an idiot. His days in the NFL have been with coaches who have a combined 13-54 record over their last combined 3 seasons as head coach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 4 hours ago, Mythos27 said: I doubt that when they installed the play he threw the pick on, Mularkey told him "hey make sure to throw the ball in such a way that your TE has no chance to catch it and hits the DB between the numbers". The TE stopped his route. Keep running and you have a chance to catch it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanDuckFan Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 11 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: The TE stopped his route. Keep running and you have a chance to catch it. Delanie was probably getting ready to level that DB with a block, thinking Marcus was going to run. Receivers live for the chance to turn the tables on a DB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 9 hours ago, TitanDuckFan said: Delanie was probably getting ready to level that DB with a block, thinking Marcus was going to run. Receivers live for the chance to turn the tables on a DB. Who knows, but people acting like the throw was inaccurate are themselves inaccurate. Maybe shouldn't have passed it, but the problem with placement was QB expected Delanie to keep running, not accuracy off by 5 yards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted October 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 7 hours ago, Mythos27 said: Idk about this "scheme panic". When Locker was failing under Munchack's and later Loggains' shitty offense no one really blamed the offense, the board blamed Locker and were right. When Mett started throwing balls into the dirt and averaging more picks than TDs, the board blamed Mett and was right. Now Marcus is struggling under an offense that despite being a bit archaic, allows him time to throw and prevents him from taking the beatings our previous QBs (and he himself) have taken and we're all convinced the scheme is the primary culprit. I've seen him throw way too many bad balls to open guys lately to lay it all or even a majority of the blame at the feet of the staff. The OL is flourishing, the running backs/running game is the best we've seen in over a decade, and the receivers while not perfect ARE getting open ( though not as consistently as I would like). You have to remember that DBs pretty much know what routes our guys are going to run before the play and are jumping everything. It seems to me that almost every offensive position group has taken a step forward while Marcus has visibly regressed. I can't just discount that because I'm afraid of Marcus failing. If it's all the scheme why are so many pulling their weight while Marcus isn't? If DBs pretty much know what routes our guys are going to run before the play and are jumping everything, then why aren't you fretting over the scheme? And how can our receivers be getting open if DBs know all this? There was one deep ball to Wright that he threw that was overthrown (or the route was ran wrong... don't know). Wright was open a little, but other than that I don't remember any specific plays where receivers were just running wild and free. Maybe if we cleared up the definition of "open" as it relates to Titan WR's? Because I can almost guarantee it's a different definition as it relates to other WR's in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted October 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 2 hours ago, Jamalisms said: Who knows, but people acting like the throw was inaccurate are themselves inaccurate. Maybe shouldn't have passed it, but the problem with placement was QB expected Delanie to keep, not accuracy off by 5 yards. We don't know, but it's pretty obvious that's what happened. I even thought we were about to get hit with a flag for him going past the line of scrimmage because of how long he had ran with the ball before throwing it. Delanie started looking for people to block and when he saw the ball leave his hand he looked like he at this "wtf!?" moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 9 hours ago, scine09 said: Mularkey isn't throwing passes. It kinda looked like he was at times yesterday! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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