NashvilleNinja Posted June 2, 2015 Report Share Posted June 2, 2015 Not really anything more for me to say. I think my position on him is well-known, to the point of people are tired of hearing it. Teddy was a safer pick than Mariota, but MM has a higher ceiling and I'm happy he's our quarterback. Running for public office, I see... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted June 3, 2015 Report Share Posted June 3, 2015 Kaep didn't do anything For that team Smith couldn't do. Remember Smith beat Brees in a shoot out and then was a Kyle Williams fumble away from taking the Niners to the Super Bowl the next week. Eh, largely agree with the overall sentiment re Kaep and Smith but not sure I would go quite that far. Kaep undoubtedly provided a spark to that team when he came in. It was palpable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titansfb Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 People did not watch Vikings games if they think Mett is better than Teddy. Not sure if Teddy will be an elite qb but he had a damn good rookie season. Vikings org and fans are happy as hell that he's their future QB. The players and coaching staff basically said that Teddy made ice cream out of crap. He moved the offense, progressed throughout the season, worked his ass off, played well under pressure. Not sure what else you could ask for from a rookie. He doesn't have a weak arm, either. Yes, a strong armed QB is fine and dandy but being strong armed doesn't mean squat if your QB can't handle pressure, read defenses or make the right read. 10 out of 10 times, i'd pick Teddy over Mett, Carr, and Garoppowho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Kaep's ceiling is way higher than Smith's. What has Smith done since he got to KC anyway to make anyone in SF regret letting him go? IMO Harbaugh knew the ceiling on Smith was limited, that the team would not get over the hump as long as he was there and thus he took a chance on the kid. Alex Smith is a 3200 yard 90 rated nothing special QB. He looks great if your best QB option is Fitzpatrick (who isn't much different IMO). I wouldn't trade him for MM right now. Bottom line is Smith, Dalton and Teddy are good enough to get a team to the promised land if the team is real real good and not dependent on the QB to carry the team. But as far as Teddy in his draft Carr and Garapollo have as good or better potential. There might even be a few more QBs in that class, including Mett that have better ceilings than Teddy. Still, Teddy was a good value where he was taken and the Vikings did well IMO all things considered. The Jags have no better of a QB and used an early 1st on him. Um, what exactly has Kaep shown to indicate his ceiling is any higher than Kordell Stewart? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 People did not watch Vikings games if they think Mett is better than Teddy. Not sure if Teddy will be an elite qb but he had a damn good rookie season. Vikings org and fans are happy as hell that he's their future QB. The players and coaching staff basically said that Teddy made ice cream out of crap. He moved the offense, progressed throughout the season, worked his ass off, played well under pressure. Not sure what else you could ask for from a rookie. He doesn't have a weak arm, either. Yes, a strong armed QB is fine and dandy but being strong armed doesn't mean squat if your QB can't handle pressure, read defenses or make the right read. 10 out of 10 times, i'd pick Teddy over Mett, Carr, and Garoppowho. Teddy doesn't have Mett's arm talent but he doesn't need it. He outperformed Mett and everyone else IMO last season. I know there are things about his game to pick at but the kid has his team and city believing in him on a team that's had nothing to believe in for a long time. I like him and hope he has a good career mainly so all the speds who overreacted after his pro day eat crow.If AP comes back and looks anything like the AP of old this might be a big year for Teddy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Kordell Stewart played at a different time, before the rules were enforced to make passing the ball easier. I think Abenjami's assessment is right on. If Kaepernick was playing in the late 90's/early 2000's you'd see the same #'s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 People did not watch Vikings games if they think Mett is better than Teddy. Not sure if Teddy will be an elite qb but he had a damn good rookie season. Vikings org and fans are happy as hell that he's their future QB. The players and coaching staff basically said that Teddy made ice cream out of crap. He moved the offense, progressed throughout the season, worked his ass off, played well under pressure. Not sure what else you could ask for from a rookie. He doesn't have a weak arm, either. Yes, a strong armed QB is fine and dandy but being strong armed doesn't mean squat if your QB can't handle pressure, read defenses or make the right read. 10 out of 10 times, i'd pick Teddy over Mett, Carr, and Garoppowho. That may all be true although I still think Mettenberger's upside is higher than Bridgewater's. At this point I'm happy that the Titans QB is Mariota and not Bridgewater. That's really all that matters. Mariota vs Bridgewater. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Not really anything more for me to say. I think my position on him is well-known, to the point of people are tired of hearing it. Teddy was a safer pick than Mariota, but MM has a higher ceiling and I'm happy he's our quarterback. Eloquent as always Jonboy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Good point on Smith and that is one of the reasons his int ratio is so good. Kaep obviously needs some refinement but this is a kid who in three years basically as a starter has a 90 QB rating (60% completion rate), 50 TDs to only 21 ints and has run for almost 1600 yards and another 10 TDs rushing the ball. He has been able to stay healthy which is a key issue as well. My only concern with Kaep is how the coaching change will effect him for better or worse. But for a kid in only his 4th season, already been to a SB and doing as well as he has it is amazing how people take shots at him. Wait another 4 years and see how he compares. Kaep also spent the offseason working on his game with guys like Warner. He isn't VY. He wants to be great. I'm losing faith in CK but I agree, people are too harsh on the kid. He was a very raw QB & is only 4 years in. The numbers are there, he's produced. Also, sticking with CK in 2012 was a no brainer, Harbaugh was absolutely right to stay with him. He was explosive in 2012 & a clear upgrade to Smith. Now? Perhaps not. But in 2012 he was dominant for stretches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 I'm losing faith in CK but I agree, people are too harsh on the kid. He was a very raw QB & is only 4 years in. The numbers are there, he's produced. Also, sticking with CK in 2012 was a no brainer, Harbaugh was absolutely right to stay with him. He was explosive in 2012 & a clear upgrade to Smith. Now? Perhaps not. But in 2012 he was dominant for stretches. 2012 perhaps. He was new and defensive coordinators did not have a good plan to stop him, as evidenced in that Green Bay playoff game. Now? The book is out and Kaepernick has not adjusted. And I do not believe he will adjust. I think he is what he is. Like I predicted he will not be the starting QB for SF in 2017. Maybe not even 2016. I think the 49ers will be picking very high next year and I could see Kaepernick just completely blowing up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Kaep isn't garbage but he hasn't progressed. His career trajectory (on the field; not off field) so far is very very similar to athletic QBs who didn't work out: Vince, RGIII, Aaron Brooks, Newton (jury still out). Come in as a rookie, set the world on fire, teams adjust, and come crashing back down to earth. He has produced, and seems like he is good enough to win with, but he has not progressed. We shall see. He's an exciting player, and Im kind of rooting for him. Also, what he and Newton have going for them that some of the others like them have not is a solid build that can take punishment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Kaep isn't garbage but he hasn't progressed. His career trajectory (on the field; not off field) so far is very very similar to athletic QBs who didn't work out: Vince, RGIII, Aaron Brooks, Newton (jury still out). Come in as a rookie, set the world on fire, teams adjust, and come crashing back down to earth. He has produced, and seems like he is good enough to win with, but he has not progressed. We shall see. He's an exciting player, and Im kind of rooting for him. Also, what he and Newton have going for them that some of the others like them have not is a solid build that can take punishment. For the first time in his career he's not on a team with Pro Bowlers all over the roster. We'll see how that works out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Kaep needed Harbough to develop. Without coaching to his strengths he'll be exposed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 2012 perhaps. He was new and defensive coordinators did not have a good plan to stop him, as evidenced in that Green Bay playoff game. Now? The book is out and Kaepernick has not adjusted. And I do not believe he will adjust. I think he is what he is. Like I predicted he will not be the starting QB for SF in 2017. Maybe not even 2016. I think the 49ers will be picking very high next year and I could see Kaepernick just completely blowing up. You're probably right. I think the Niners could easily have a top 5 pick. I feel like this year we'll see what kind of QB he is, now he'll have to win games with a bad team around him as opposed to managing a top 2-3 talented team & making the occasional big run or PA bomb. But he was explosive in 2012, no doubt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted June 4, 2015 Report Share Posted June 4, 2015 Kaep isn't garbage but he hasn't progressed. His career trajectory (on the field; not off field) so far is very very similar to athletic QBs who didn't work out: Vince, RGIII, Aaron Brooks, Newton (jury still out). Come in as a rookie, set the world on fire, teams adjust, and come crashing back down to earth. He has produced, and seems like he is good enough to win with, but he has not progressed. We shall see. He's an exciting player, and Im kind of rooting for him. Also, what he and Newton have going for them that some of the others like them have not is a solid build that can take punishment. I kind of like Kaepernick as well. I prefer drop back QB's by far but he's such an impressive specimen, awesome size & speed, he's almost built like a TE. When he takes off he almost reminds me of TO running in he open field when he was on the Niners & he has a huge arm. He hasn't progressed at all though, in fact he's regressed. But when on he's fun to watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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