OILERMAN Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 b/c you're adding the tag "at this point." They're saying the signing was a bust. End of story. It's too soon to call it a bust. No, I said specifically one year in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 No, I said specifically one year in Figured you were noting that it was only 1 yr in. If you're just saying he was a bust last year but not in general then I don't really have a problem w/ it. But it's also not really an indictment of the signing itself since it's really too early to judge. HOTT 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammer Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Considering that WRs are the third highest paid position ($11.5 million tag), paying a consistently productive veteran who is a great locker room guy $4.8 million is totally reasonable IMO. I think Nate is an above average receiver, based on his production the last three years, and we definitely need his veteran leadership. If they can negotiate a one or two-year extension resulting in less money per year, great. I think he has 2-3 years left barring a major injury. I don't think he will agree to a restructure without an extension and some additional up front money. He is not breaking the bank no matter what. In addition, Washington's past experience with Whiz should be a great help to the other receivers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Rubin would be a perfect fit next to Casey if he wants reasonable money. Signing him and Jackson would do wonders for the defense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Rubin would be huge, no doubt. Dominant NT's are rare, and to my knowledge there were none available in FA, at least very good ones. This is a pleasant surprise, and they should go all out go sign him if he becomes available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Rubin would be huge, no doubt. Dominant NT's are rare, and to my knowledge there were none available in FA, at least very good ones. This is a pleasant surprise, and they should go all out go sign him if he becomes available. Again, Rubin barely played nose. Phil Taylor was their NT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Again, Rubin barely played nose. Phil Taylor was their NT. He played there plenty the past few years. He's very versatile for a DT and would be a great signing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 He played there plenty the past few years. He's very versatile for a DT and would be a great signing. I agree he'd be a great signing. At left end, which is where he played under Horton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLocker10 Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 I agree he'd be a great signing. At left end, which is where he played under Horton. He played left end because they had Phil Taylor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLocker10 Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 (edited) *After two seasons in a 4-3 front under former coordinator Dick Jauron, the Cleveland Browns will switch back to a 3-4 for 2013, now that Ray Horton is designing the scheme. The transition to the 3-4, which the Browns last played in 2010 under Rob Ryan, won’t come without some hiccups, although Cleveland coaches feel it’s going well so far. One component that could aid in the switch is the flexibility that Horton and defensive line assistant Joe Cullen should get from Phil Taylor and Ahtyba Rubin. “I think” said Taylor, who played some nose tackle in college at Baylor, “that we (he and Rubin) can play anywhere. We’re comfortable with each other, and really like what the (new) defense offers us.” The titular starter at the key nose tackle spot figures to be Taylor, who has played two seasons in the 4-3, but who many scouts felt was the top 3-4 nose candidate when the Browns took him in the first round in 2011. Rubin, who was a standout in the 3-4 a few years ago – some personnel people thought he was among the best young, emerging nose tackles in the league at the time – will be the left end. But Horton and Cullen figure to flip the two linemen from time to time, much as Capers did with Raji and Ryan Pickett in Green Bay last season. Pickett started only one game at nose tackle in a “base” 3-4, but often moved inside during games, with Raji switching to the outside, to create better matchups. The Browns, because of the position flexibility Rubin and Taylor afford them, likely will do some of the same. “We’re not necessarily going to pigeonhole people,” Horton promised. Taylor likes the maneuverability that the 3-4 affords him and the rest of the defenders. “We can mix and match,” he said. “And we’ll be able to mix it up with offenses.” The Browns' defense ranked 23rd statistically in the two seasons it was in the 4-3. Even though Taylor wasn't around for the 3-4 in 2010, when it rated 11th in the league, he and others feel the conversion will afford the unit a lot more aggressiveness. http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFP-Sunday-Blitz-9247.html Edited March 1, 2014 by JLocker10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 Good find Locker. I remember Rubin really emerging as a NT under Mangini. I assumed he still played there but Taylor's even bigger so it makes sense that he'd play end but it's really semantics. They're both huge, athletic run stoppers who played most of the snaps so they probably just put Taylor at the nose cause he's 330 & Rubin's 320. But the bottom line is the guy was a borderline pro bowler at NT under Mangini & he'd play nose on most teams in the league with a 3-4. And he'd certainly play NT for us, unless we picked a guy like Nix in the 1st. His role is as a guy who demands doubles & occupies blockers to free up the LBs, and he does it very well. Saying he'd have to play end to be effective for us is incorrect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperFreak90 Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 I also think we should franchise Verner, give him some motivation to play for large deal (Haynesworth way). Don't we get more cap space by waiting on CJ cut until June 1st ? Make his ass wait to be cut. Stand pat in free agency, sign mid tier guys not high dollar players, and build through the draft. Trade down when we can, and get extra picks this year. Draft for quantity more than anything imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 No way would I pay Verner 11.8M and take that kind of cap hit all in 2014. Either sign him or let him walk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMJ Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 I would franchise him. Dude is becoming elite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 (edited) Oh, good find on the quote. I guess I was wrong, thanks for the correction. Didn't realize he played nose under Mangini. Let's hope the Browns release him. Edited March 2, 2014 by tgo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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