Mythos27 Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, scine09 said: That would not shock me in the least. You live in the area, you know what Kraft is like. All about himself and will throw pretty much anyone under the bus to get his way. I'm not trying to call him a racist I'm just saying it wouldn't shock me to see Kraft do something like this. Right. There are people who while not prejudiced themselves will play to racial stereotypes when it suits them. Disgusting behavior and it wouldn't shock me from them at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, AvgJoe said: She seems like a woman who has no problem going directly to the media herself and putting a statement out I see what you mean, but surely she's aware of the optics of providing a direct "vote of confidence". Most coaches who gets those get them as a prelude to being fired. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, AvgJoe said: Likely solely based on his history there as a player AND IMO he knows he’s on thin ice in TN. It’s like Lane Kiffin and USC I guess. He also knows that Bob Kraft is a pain in the ass and AAS is not. He knows how cheap the Krafts are and about the cap space that the Titans have. Plus the new stadium coming. And he will have the pressure of replacing Belichick. Maybe that's the allure, replacing Belichick. But honestly I would think NE is one of the worst head coaching jobs in the league right now for those reasons and that the talent stinks. Obviously it's not great in Tennessee either but the environment isn't as pressured, the weather is better, you have the new stadium to look forward to, the ownership is easier to deal with and not as cheap and you have the pressure of having to replace Belichick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, scine09 said: I guess. He also knows that Bob Kraft is a pain in the ass and AAS is not. He knows how cheap the Krafts are and about the cap space that the Titans have. Plus the new stadium coming. And he will have the pressure of replacing Belichick. Maybe that's the allure, replacing Belichick. But honestly I would think NE is one of the worst head coaching jobs in the league right now for those reasons and that the talent stinks. Obviously it's not great in Tennessee either but the environment isn't as pressured, the weather is better, you have the new stadium to look forward to, the ownership is easier to deal with and not as cheap and you have the pressure of having to replace Belichick. All valid points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvgJoe Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, scine09 said: I guess. He also knows that Bob Kraft is a pain in the ass and AAS is not. He knows how cheap the Krafts are and about the cap space that the Titans have. Plus the new stadium coming. And he will have the pressure of replacing Belichick. Maybe that's the allure, replacing Belichick. But honestly I would think NE is one of the worst head coaching jobs in the league right now for those reasons and that the talent stinks. Obviously it's not great in Tennessee either but the environment isn't as pressured, the weather is better, you have the new stadium to look forward to, the ownership is easier to deal with and not as cheap and you have the pressure of having to replace Belichick. I agree on all accounts, but I think the idiot views it as getting back together with his hot ex so to speak. All the warning signs are there, but its allure still wins out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 The fact that the speculation about NE is not going away makes me wonder what Vrabel has confided to people he should not have trusted behind closed doors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 It would be nice to hear Vrabel himself say something. He won't, but it would be nice. Maybe someone today will ask him. They won't, but they should. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo59 Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 13 minutes ago, AvgJoe said: She seems like a woman who has no problem going directly to the media herself and putting a statement out Unless the NFL told her otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 40 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: Yeah, not to be that guy but the racial undertones of this reporting are jarring. The heavy implication that the league forced the Titans to hire a known-to-be incompetent black candidate is something that people don't say publicly even these days. That shit, aside, it's very clear to me, and has been for a while, that Ran and Vrabel are not on the same page. This won't end well either way and might get ugly in a way it never did with Robinson. what evidence is there Vrabel and Carthon aren't working together? The Byard trade? lol... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 26 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: They might be but it's been a steady drumbeat in the background from them and it makes tons of sense to me. IMO, it's all about where people's individual interests lie and to me it doesn't make sense for them to be aligned here. Ran surely wants to shape the roster in his own image and he should want that because ultimately he'll be held responsible for it. He no doubt, wants to make major changes and I think deference to Vrabel has held those impulses in check. I doubt he wants to be Vrabel's lapdog his whole career and Vrabel, being an alpha too is surely reluctant to give up any of the power and influence he's amassed while here. Man you take HC and GM to extremes.... It doesn't work that way. Its like two orgs within a business with different group goals working toward overall business objectives. Your stance seems to imply cross function groups could never work in tandem because they have different direct goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepingTitan Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 12 hours ago, Justafan said: But he's a respected journalist. What do you think he just made it up!? Seriously, click bait drivel—nothing to see here. Journalists write things that sell clicks now. I'm sure the fanbase in NE is talking about "bringing Vrabel home" and wondering about the future of the franchise. That's really all it is. This idiot trying to say the league is encouraging minority hires is fucking funny. They have the Rooney Rule and the developing team gets a 3rd rounder lol. It's right out in the open. I think Ran was a good hire. You would probably find it hard to uncover him having poor performance at SF. They delegated so many jobs to so many people. He was in charge of FA scouting. They brought in some great players and are performing without a great QB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanskick8851 Posted November 27, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 I think for Vrabel maybe it’s about securing the future. If they don’t improve and are bad next year here he likely is fired. If he goes to NE, he’s likely locked in for 3-to-5 years there from a salary standpoint. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 12 minutes ago, oldschool said: what evidence is there Vrabel and Carthon aren't working together? The Byard trade? lol... Look at all the guys Carthon has brought in or brought back who are clearly Vrabel guys - Chris Moore, NWI, Hopkins, Cruikshank, Joe Jones, Jonathan Ward, etc. - Dillard even. Carthon is mostly doing Vrabel's bidding, although there has been some balance with a few of his own guys (Al Shaiir, Key, Brunskill) and probably Carthon drove the Byard trade after initially relenting to Vrabel on keeping him. But it sounded to me like Vrabel had agreed to the trade based on how he was talking about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 minute ago, oldschool said: Man you take HC and GM to extremes.... It doesn't work that way. Its look two orgs within a business with different group goals working toward overall business objectives. Your stance seems to imply cross function groups could never work in tandem because they have different direct goals. People from inside and outside the organization are putting their names to claims that the relationship between Vrabel and Ran is not the way you seem to think it is. I don't think everyone is making things up. Yes, collaboration is possible even when interests are not perfectly aligned but I'm suggesting that this situation goes beyond that. I think Ran is willing to prepare for the future at the expense of the present and this is untenable to Vrabel for whom success in the near future is paramount. Ran doesn't necessarily HAVE to win early next season. He can possibly survive an early disappointing start. Vrabel won't survive another season like this one. I get that you think I'm being extreme but I think you're just not ready to accept that not all working relationships function with the level of collaboration you're projecting on to them. Notice I wasn't saying this stuff when it was Vrabel and J-Rob. This feels different to me and every couple of weeks we get another indication all is not well in paradise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, tgo said: Look at all the guys Carthon has brought in or brought back who are clearly Vrabel guys - Chris Moore, NWI, Hopkins, Cruikshank, Joe Jones, Jonathan Ward, etc. - Dillard even. Carthon is mostly doing Vrabel's bidding, although there has been some balance with a few of his own guys (Al Shaiir, Key, Brunskill) and probably Carthon drove the Byard trade after initially relenting to Vrabel on keeping him. But it sounded to me like Vrabel had agreed to the trade based on how he was talking about it. Of course. Carthon said over and over again his job is to get the Staff the kind of players they want for the current schemes that are in use. There are some smart posters here being way too binary about the roles of GMs and HCs when it comes to long term vs short term goals. They are not diametrically opposed as some claim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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