Strunk'sDessert Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 34 minutes ago, Justafan said: Okay, what are you arguing here. Far left politics prioritize equality of outcome over equality of opportunity. Far left politics prioritize a redistribution of income and wealth. Far left politics tend to have very progressive stances on social issues Far left politics seek to change or alter capitalism either through the legislative, judicial, or executive branch etc etc etc. There is no socialist or communist party in America but there is also no fascist party in America. This idea that Democrats are in the center and Republicans are far right is media propaganda. The truth is both sides have drifted towards the extremes. I agree that it's more obvious on the right but it's CLEARLY there on the left as well. I'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying. I'm saying pick up some reliable political science textbooks that have been around for a century or more and read some reliable, recent political science minds. You can complain about the definitions, but the definitions are fairly clear in the aggregate. I'm not trying to pile on like some here. Only stating what I know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 56 minutes ago, Starkiller said: Yeah, you have posted a lot here as of late, but any time you are asked for any specifics you clam up… Yup, it's almost like I'm not interested in having that conversation with YOU. No matter what I say, I know where that conversation will lead. I'm not interested in wasting my time so that you can spout your party lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 36 minutes ago, MadMax said: While it's true this shouldn't be an infringement on you or I, you gotta admit some of these jackasses can be completely in your face with it. When I'm told that I have to recognize those genders and interact with them in their chosen pronouns, I have to understand the intricacies of that particular sub gender, and I have to change my language to accommodate them... that definitely infringes. When the government passes laws to enforce that 'in your face' with it, that's where I have a problem with it. Starkiller 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMax Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Justafan said: When I'm told that I have to recognize those genders and interact with them in their chosen pronouns, I have to understand the intricacies of that particular sub gender, and I have to change my language to accommodate them... that definitely infringes. When the government passes laws to enforce that 'in your face' with it, that's where I have a problem with it. And so do I. That's why I say I hope it's still fringe loonies. Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 36 minutes ago, Strunk'sDessert said: I'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying. I'm saying pick up some reliable political science textbooks that have been around for a century or more and read some reliable, recent political science minds. You can complain about the definitions, but the definitions are fairly clear in the aggregate. I'm not trying to pile on like some here. Only stating what I know. Look, if you want to argue that Biden is a centrist, then by SOME metric I'm sure you can do so. In the sense of AMERICAN politics, they have moved further and further left, and Biden is the furthest left of any president in our lifetimes. He's still closer center than the real progressives in his party and that is where the real issue lies isn't it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 8 minutes ago, Justafan said: Yup, it's almost like I'm not interested in having that conversation with YOU. No matter what I say, I know where that conversation will lead. I'm not interested in wasting my time so that you can spout your party lines. It would lead to a conversation, but you aren’t willing to do that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strunk'sDessert Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, Justafan said: When I'm told that I have to recognize those genders and interact with them in their chosen pronouns, I have to understand the intricacies of that particular sub gender, and I have to change my language to accommodate them... that definitely infringes. When the government passes laws to enforce that 'in your face' with it, that's where I have a problem with it. Honest question for you and @MadMax: has there been legislation anywhere that does impact it to the degree you're saying? Assholes are a dime a dozen, regardless of their sexually orientation. I treat any asshole with the same respect - my blatant disregard. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, Justafan said: When I'm told that I have to recognize those genders and interact with them in their chosen pronouns, I have to understand the intricacies of that particular sub gender, and I have to change my language to accommodate them... that definitely infringes. When the government passes laws to enforce that 'in your face' with it, that's where I have a problem with it. “Letting people live their lives is infringing on my rights!” You sound like the people who are offended that there is an option to hit the number 8 on the phone to speak in Spanish… Jamalisms 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMax Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Strunk'sDessert said: Honest question for you and @MadMax: has there been legislation anywhere that does impact it to the degree you're saying? Assholes are a dime a dozen, regardless of their sexually orientation. I treat any asshole with the same respect - my blatant disregard. Not to my knowledge. For me it's still hypothetical. And I still hope it's merely a fringe issue. It's too much to keep up with. IsntLifeFunny, Strunk'sDessert, and Justafan 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strunk'sDessert Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Justafan said: Look, if you want to argue that Biden is a centrist, then by SOME metric I'm sure you can do so. In the sense of AMERICAN politics, they have moved further and further left, and Biden is the furthest left of any president in our lifetimes. He's still closer center than the real progressives in his party and that is where the real issue lies isn't it. Well, in the sense of AMERICAN politics the right is further right than it's been in our lifetime. I'm not trying to be an asshole like reo, just pointing to the definitions. Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 Just now, MadMax said: Not to my knowledge. For me it's still hypothetical. And I still hope it's merely a fringe issue. It's too much to keep up with. The problem is that trans rights get intermixed with the whole pronoun debate. Trans people deserve every right as anyone else, which is not to be discriminated against by the government, be it local, state, or federal. There's a real debate to be had about what those rights are and how they're interpreted to minors, but that is a different discussion. The pronoun thing is bizarre to me, but on a social level I don't personally care and view it as a very niche situation. However, having it be mandated by government is something I think is fairly ridiculous. No one is being infringed upon if another person doesn't want to call someone a they/them. Maybe they're being a dick for not doing it, but it's basically the inverse of trans rights and is an overstep by government. Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strunk'sDessert Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, MadMax said: Not to my knowledge. For me it's still hypothetical. And I still hope it's merely a fringe issue. It's too much to keep up with. Fair enough, but I think some of the vitriol we see from both sides is due to some outrageous hypotheticals that we all like to manifest as real threats. Hell, I may have done it on the Trump Colorado ballot post I just made. Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Starkiller said: “Letting people live their lives is infringing on my rights!” You sound like the people who are offended that there is an option to hit the number 8 on the phone to speak in Spanish… JFC. Go away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Strunk'sDessert said: Well, in the sense of AMERICAN politics the right is further right than it's been in our lifetime. I'm not trying to be an asshole like reo, just pointing to the definitions. My point. Both sides have moved closer to the extremes. It’s not fair to label either party as centrist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 hour ago, MadMax said: Not to my knowledge. For me it's still hypothetical. And I still hope it's merely a fringe issue. It's too much to keep up with. It’s happened in places like Canada and Europe and there has definitely been a push for it here. NY has the genders laws but I could care less until I’m told I have to think, behave, or talk in a particular way by the government. Right or wrong, the government doesn’t get to decide that. It has nothing to do with letting people live their lives, no matter how well intentioned, this type of legislation is a baby step in the road to tyranny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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