oldschool Posted May 4, 2023 Report Share Posted May 4, 2023 9 minutes ago, TheBukafax said: I estimate around a 5 percent chance he becomes a top 10 QB. 15 percent a 10-16 range QB. The other 80 percent who the fuck cares. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted May 4, 2023 Report Share Posted May 4, 2023 Not sure Pro Bowl is relevant given they hand out invites like condoms at a whore house. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted May 4, 2023 Report Share Posted May 4, 2023 51 minutes ago, BudsOilers said: The net cost of the trade up was the net equivalent of 2/58 in terms of draft value. Care to share that calc? I suspect you're not netting properly, likely only counting the difference but not the spend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted May 4, 2023 Report Share Posted May 4, 2023 7 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: Care to share that calc? I suspect you're not netting properly, likely only counting the difference but not the spend. I'm assuming that's the cost of the trade up and omitts the original pick (#41). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBukafax Posted May 4, 2023 Report Share Posted May 4, 2023 13 minutes ago, oldschool said: I think probowl is a little too light of a metric as well as timing specific. These QBs could be littered with 1 year wonders, positional down years, injury fill-ins, etc. When I say a top 10 QB, I mean a 5+ year run in that top 10 position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted May 4, 2023 Report Share Posted May 4, 2023 Just now, ctm said: I'm assuming that's the cost of the trade up and omitts the original pick (#41). Right. The difference but not the spend. We spent both the difference and #41. That's what Levis cost. Depending on the chart, that's an early to mid 20s spend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted May 4, 2023 Report Share Posted May 4, 2023 36 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: Care to share that calc? I suspect you're not netting properly, likely only counting the difference but not the spend. Sure and it's because of the pick swaps..... On the pick swaps, 2/41 (490 points) to 2/33 (580) was a +90 point move. 3/72 (230) to 3/81 (185) was a +45 point move. The 2024 3rd rounder is valued as a mid round pick, which ironically would be pick 3/81 (+185 points). The net value of the trade up is 90+45+185 = 320 points, equivalent to pick 2/58. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted May 4, 2023 Report Share Posted May 4, 2023 31 minutes ago, BudsOilers said: Sure and it's because of the pick swaps..... On the pick swaps, 2/41 (490 points) to 2/33 (580) was a +90 point move. 3/72 (230) to 3/81 (185) was a +45 point move. The 2024 3rd rounder is valued as a mid round pick, which ironically would be pick 3/81 (+185 points). The net value of the trade up is 90+45+185 = 320 points, equivalent to pick 2/58. They started with 905 points (490+230+185) and ended with 185 points (pick 3/81) and Levis. They spent 720 points ... equivalent to pick 1/25. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted May 4, 2023 Report Share Posted May 4, 2023 1 hour ago, BudsOilers said: I don't remember anyone thinking a trade up to 3 would be for anyone but Stroud. Levis was always being discussed as a potential option for 11. But a good portion of Levis hate was tied to wanting a scrub like Hooker instead. I think a lot of Vols homers automatically assumed Hooker is better than Levis and so if Levis is a 2nd-3rd rounder, there is no way that Levis could be a first round talent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted May 4, 2023 Report Share Posted May 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: They started with 905 points (490+230+185) and ended with 185 points (pick 3/81). They spent 720 points ... equivalent to pick 1/25. You guys are saying the same thing. The trade up cost the equivalent of 2/58 meaning the overall pick when including 41 equates to pick 1/25. 2/58+2/41= 1/25. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted May 4, 2023 Report Share Posted May 4, 2023 Just now, IsntLifeFunny said: You guys are saying the same thing. The trade up coat the equivalent of 2/58 meaning the overall pick when including 41 equates to pick 1/25. 1 hour ago, Jamalisms said: Right. The difference but not the spend. We spent both the difference and #41. That's what Levis cost. Depending on the chart, that's an early to mid 20s spend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted May 4, 2023 Report Share Posted May 4, 2023 So...yes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted May 4, 2023 Report Share Posted May 4, 2023 The net cost to move up was 320 points. Equal to 2/58. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted May 4, 2023 Report Share Posted May 4, 2023 @IsntLifeFunnyThe issue is saying the investment in Levis is a net late second round pick. That's wrong. That's only part of the investment The full investment is equivalent to 1/25. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted May 4, 2023 Report Share Posted May 4, 2023 1 minute ago, BudsOilers said: The net cost to move up was 320 points. Equal to 2/58. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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