oldschool Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 11 hours ago, Titans279 said: Going to be interesting to see how this shakes out. This is a pretty big moment for how well Biden's first term gets graded from my perspective. https://www.axios.com/progressives-infrastructure-red-lines-29259e16-6480-4b03-ab84-ee8e3e0dfc24.html How can Biden possibly be graded on legislation when the GOP obstructs or waters down everything? Want to judge Biden on Foreign Policy, the Border issue, etc... fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tgo Posted June 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 26 minutes ago, oldschool said: How can Biden possibly be graded on legislation when the GOP obstructs or waters down everything? Want to judge Biden on Foreign Policy, the Border issue, etc... fine. Well on the positive side - he could deliver on his promise of more bipartisanship regardless of the size of the bill. 1.2T isn't nothing for sure and could deliver some climate progress. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 38 minutes ago, tgo said: Well on the positive side - he could deliver on his promise of more bipartisanship regardless of the size of the bill. 1.2T isn't nothing for sure and could deliver some climate progress. That's my point. Any bill that gets GOP votes is a massive win. We both know what @Titans279 is getting at. Titans279 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 (edited) There is still the hurdle of how this bill is paid for. Last I read, both sides were balking at the others method. If there is progress on climate, it will be in the next bill. The so-called reconciliation bill. They are proceeding on a dual track. Two separate bills. Edited June 24, 2021 by ctm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Titans279 Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 2 hours ago, oldschool said: How can Biden possibly be graded on legislation 1 hour ago, oldschool said: That's my point. Any bill that gets GOP votes is a massive win. So, don't judge Biden for legislation, but do if he gets GOP votes? I can't judge him for prioritizing bipartisanship over all the issues that he is leaving unaddressed if he chooses a bipartisan deal and the reconciliation package dies on the vine? That's silly, man! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, Titans279 said: So, don't judge Biden for legislation, but do if he gets GOP votes? I can't judge him for prioritizing bipartisanship over all the issues that he is leaving unaddressed if he chooses a bipartisan deal and the reconciliation package dies on the vine? That's silly, man! No it shows your lack of understanding. Manchin and Sinema forced the administration's hand on infrastructure and there was absolutely nothing the administration could do about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, oldschool said: No it shows your lack of understanding. Manchin and Sinema forced the administration's hand on infrastructure and there was absolutely nothing the administration could do about it. Wow, it hasn't even happened yet and yet you're pretty definitive here. Good defense mechanism though. Hilarious that you pull the "lack of understanding card" every time you argue with anyone who disagrees with you. Even tgo said that this bill was basically nothing and it was all about the reconciliation package! 20 hours ago, tgo said: Let's hurry up and get through the song and dance with the bipartisan negotiations so we can pass the real bill with reconciliation via Joe Manchin. Edited June 24, 2021 by Titans279 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted June 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 (edited) Interesting strategy. Let's see how it plays out! I wonder if a coinciding Reconciliation package pathway running concurrently with the bipartisan bill will just sink the bipartisan bill. Or will Republicans pass their bill to partially offset their ridiculous stance on voting rights politically and then say, "well we passed a common sense bipartisan infrastructure package with the WH and then those big spending Democrats went way too far with their standalone socialist bill" Edited June 24, 2021 by tgo Titans279 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 I’d always assumed that whatever gets left out of a bipartisan bill will be held back for the next reconciliation bill. It doesn’t have to be parallel bills. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted June 24, 2021 Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Starkiller said: I’d always assumed that whatever gets left out of a bipartisan bill will be held back for the next reconciliation bill. It doesn’t have to be parallel bills. Gotta do them at the same time so that you know the reconciliation bill will actually happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted June 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Starkiller said: I’d always assumed that whatever gets left out of a bipartisan bill will be held back for the next reconciliation bill. It doesn’t have to be parallel bills. It doesn't have to be in theory, but progressives are demanding the bills be processed in parallel before they will support the bipartisan bill. I'll be really impressed if both bills pass, that would be some legislative and political voodoo from Biden/Pelosi/Schumer/Sanders (budget chair) Edited June 24, 2021 by tgo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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