2021 NFL Free Agency: Rumor Mill

[headhunter]

17 minutes ago, Righteous said:

And perhaps that's the problem.  The easiest way to disrupt an offense is immediate pressure in the face of the QB.   We paid Daquan Jones good money to play the position and get no pressure.  Perhaps spend a little money for a NT who can also get to the QB?

There's not many nose tackles that rush the passer. They clog lanes. We will mostly play 4 down lineman anyways. 

[tgo]

17 minutes ago, Righteous said:

And perhaps that's the problem.  The easiest way to disrupt an offense is immediate pressure in the face of the QB.   We paid Daquan Jones good money to play the position and get no pressure.  Perhaps spend a little money for a NT who can also get to the QB?

He actually does provide a little pass rush, unlike guys like Snacks Harrison or Beau Allen. It’s just not his forte. 
 

And @oldschool - he switched to NT (1 tech shade) for the last three years, but I’ve always thought he’s a more ideal 5 tech like how LeBeau used him.  He was highly graded as a NT in 2018 and 2019 though. In 2019 he was a top 3 graded NT. 

[oldschool]

5 minutes ago, tgo said:

He actually does provide a little pass rush, unlike guys like Snacks Harrison or Beau Allen. It’s just not his forte. 
 

And @oldschool - he switched to NT (1 tech shade) for the last three years, but I’ve always thought he’s a more ideal 5 tech like how LeBeau used him.  He was highly graded as a NT in 2018 and 2019 though. In 2019 he was a top 3 graded NT. 

 

Yes I get that. I'm saying his ideal slot is as a 5T.

[oldschool]

8 minutes ago, Righteous said:

 

What?  Our starters were Crawford, Jones and Simmons.  Where exactly did Jones play? 

 

see my response to @tgo. I'm saying Jones ideal slot is as a 5T who clogs up lanes. He's not a pass rusher.

[BudsOilers]

Good NT's usually run 330 lbs plus.  If he comes here, he'd be playing DE in this scheme. 

[Guts]

7 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

Good NT's usually run 330 lbs plus.  If he comes here, he'd be playing DE in this scheme. 

 

So your making an assumption. Go ahead and look whose playing NT in the league right now, not historically. Then come back.

[Righteous]

1 hour ago, headhunter said:

There's not many nose tackles that rush the passer. They clog lanes. We will mostly play 4 down lineman anyways. 

I get it.  Players like Casey Hampton, Vince Wilfork, BJ Raji, Ted Washington are important players that allowed defenses to do multiple things behind them.  While it is not a sexy position, it is not a position that can just be overlooked and filled with cheap/talentless labor,  if you want your defense to compete at a high level.  That's my only point.

[BudsOilers]

14 minutes ago, Guts said:

 

So your making an assumption. Go ahead and look whose playing NT in the league right now, not historically. Then come back.

 

Reed isn't a NT.  It's a laughable hill to die on.   He's far more comparable to a Jurrell Casey type DT, who, wait for it, played DE in this scheme and DT in the nickel......

[Guts]

2 hours ago, BudsOilers said:

 

Reed isn't a NT.  It's a laughable hill to die on.   He's far more comparable to a Jurrell Casey type DT, who, wait for it, played DE in this scheme and DT in the nickel......

 

Because your using the weight argument? Guess the Packers should move Kenny Clark to end as well? Should I keep going since your "opinion" is based on weight requirement vs player ability.

 

 

 

[BudsOilers]

3 minutes ago, Guts said:

Because your using the weight argument? Guess the Packers should move Kenny Clark to end as well? Should I keep going since your "opinion" is based on weight requirement vs player ability.

 

Wrong.  In the scheme the Titans run, which is the element you just seem to either not understand or are being intentionally obtuse,

 

Reed is not a NT in this defense.  He's a 3 technique DT in a 4-3 or 3 technique DE in the Titans defense. 

 

In Clark's case, does a ton of 1 technique at NT in the Packers 3-4.  Reed, like Jurrell Casey was, would be a 3 technique DE in the Titans scheme. 

 

If Reed signs here and becomes their Nose Tackle, I'd gladly eat crow.  Pretty sure I won't have to.

[titanskick8851]

 

[Guts]

2 hours ago, BudsOilers said:

 

Wrong.  In the scheme the Titans run, which is the element you just seem to either not understand or are being intentionally obtuse,

 

Reed is not a NT in this defense.  He's a 3 technique DT in a 4-3 or 3 technique DE in the Titans defense. 

 

In Clark's case, does a ton of 1 technique at NT in the Packers 3-4.  Reed, like Jurrell Casey was, would be a 3 technique DE in the Titans scheme. 

 

If Reed signs here and becomes their Nose Tackle, I'd gladly eat crow.  Pretty sure I won't have to.

 

I wanna sign him as depth,  if you read the entire conversation you would see that. Many posted he would be the odd man out, I'm simply saying he has the ability to play nose. Which is when you chimed in. 

 

He definitely has the ability to play nose in our defense. Go back and watch his Alabama tape. Your just making a bad assumption based off of weight. 

[Righteous]

2 hours ago, BudsOilers said:

 

Wrong.  In the scheme the Titans run, which is the element you just seem to either not understand or are being intentionally obtuse,

 

Reed is not a NT in this defense.  He's a 3 technique DT in a 4-3 or 3 technique DE in the Titans defense. 

 

In Clark's case, does a ton of 1 technique at NT in the Packers 3-4.  Reed, like Jurrell Casey was, would be a 3 technique DE in the Titans scheme. 

 

If Reed signs here and becomes their Nose Tackle, I'd gladly eat crow.  Pretty sure I won't have to.

That’s absolute hogwash.  Reed played Nose at Alabama and half of his snaps in Seattle is at NT.

 

 

 

[tgo]

@Guts is actually right. 

 

I had a misconception about the player due to how he was used in Seattle. 

 

Here's from his scouting report: 

 

"A transfer to Alabama from East Mississippi Community College, Jarran Reed made an impact that doesn’t show up on stat sheets as the anchor of the Alabama defense in 2015. As the Crimson Tide made another title run, it was Reed keeping the athletic linebackers clean and setting up one-on-one looks for defensive ends Jonathan Allen and A’Shawn Robinson.

 

Reed is a prototypical nose tackle—6’3” with a stout, squatty build and tree-trunk legs. He plays with power but also has refined technique in his hand placement and leverage. His balance, body control and wide base allow Reed to truly sit down and anchor in double-team situations. He’s able to absorb combination blocks and chips with strong shoulders and won’t let himself be walked back. Reed’s bad plays are stalemates."

 

"A productive tackler, Reed has more pass-rushing acumen than most nose tackles. If freed to go get the quarterback, he has enough motor and juice in his wheels to at least get pressures off penetration."

 

This is the kind of nose (like DJ Reader who he pursued) that I could actually see Robinson paying.

 

Problem is: we don't have the cap space and it's more affordable to bring back DQ. 

[BudsOilers]

Wrong.  He played the 3 technique DT far more than he ever played 1 tec

26 minutes ago, Righteous said:

That’s absolute hogwash.  Reed played Nose at Alabama and half of his snaps in Seattle is at NT.

 

 

 

 

 

The vast majority of his snaps in Seattle were as a 3 technique DT, not as the 1 technique.  Pulling a video from his rookie season in 2016 where he had some snaps over the center is hardly some revelation.  Perhaps you should have bothered to watch film from 2017 - 2020.  For the last 3 seasons, Al Woods and Poona Ford played the 1 technique DT in Seattle.  Reed played the 3 technique.