Gentrification of Real Estate in Nashville Inner City.

[IsntLifeFunny]

1 hour ago, TitanDuckFan said:

Wait, isn't N'ville the only liberal-white stronghold in the state?

And you say poor people, particularly poor blacks, are being forced from their legally owned private property?

 

Interesting.

 

Something similar has been happening in Portland, OR for the last few years also.

Just one of PDX's dirty little secrets.

Homeowners aren’t being forced out. They’re being paid ridiculous amounts of money actually. The people who are being relocated are those in section 8 housing. I’m pretty sure as a proclaimed Libertarian you wouldn’t think that is a bad thing. 

[IsntLifeFunny]

There are no poor people who rent in downtown Nashville. Rent is going up in the suburbs of Nashville due to the growth, which has adversely affected poor people. I’m not sure why it is hard to discuss facts. @Number9 you’re way off base in terms of your description. 

[Number9]

1 hour ago, TitanDuckFan said:

ROFLMAO,...

Keep telling yourself that.

Maybe that will keep you warm, while sleeping on that your park bench.

you are just muttering.

[Number9]

58 minutes ago, NashvilleNinja said:

 

This gentrification might've happened regardless of which party was in charge... kinda hard to tell because Davidson county always turns up blue on election night. Every single mayor of Nashville since the city-county consolidation in 1963 has been a democrat, starting with Beverly Briley. So the party of the rich... in Nashville-Davidson county at least... is apparently the party of the dems.

 

I've argued with my dad about this shit. He wants to blame the government or the mayors like Karl Dean and Megan Barry for the runaway development and "progress". The government/mayors of Nashville-Davidson county are just doing what the people of Nashville-Davidson county voted for them to do. Want something different for Nashville-Davidson county? Stop fucking voting assholes into offices that do shit you don't want them to do.

Nashville has so mismanaged their money, the state is threatening to take over the cities finances.  I seriously doubt the people understand this is happening.  No doubt it is a bad area, but does it make sense to dump the problem on Laverne?  A few years back, they had this huge drug task force in Laverne.  They were trying to deal with Nashville problem.  If poor Nashvillians are pushed into the surrounding counties, how are they supposed to handle it.  These counties have less resources than the city.

 

There has to be a better solution than placing them in for profit prisons if they don't want to leave Nashville.

[NashvilleNinja]

47 minutes ago, Number9 said:

Nashville has so mismanaged their money, the state is threatening to take over the cities finances.  I seriously doubt the people understand this is happening.  No doubt it is a bad area, but does it make sense to dump the problem on Laverne?  A few years back, they had this huge drug task force in Laverne.  They were trying to deal with Nashville problem.  If poor Nashvillians are pushed into the surrounding counties, how are they supposed to handle it.  These counties have less resources than the city.

 

There has to be a better solution than placing them in for profit prisons if they don't want to leave Nashville.

 

And yet infrastructure suffers as more people mean rougher and rougher roads.

 

But hey, at least 440 is finally getting attention.

[TitanDuckFan]

6 hours ago, Number9 said:

you are just muttering.

And you sir, are in outright denial of something you can apparently no longer ignore, but has been staring you right in the face for some time.

So you're making up a fairy tale about how conservatives can't wait to live in a city with liberal tax policies and social attitudes, and are willing to spend vast amounts of money to do so.

And as a result, you tell a story that makes little sense, of blacks who are suffering at the hands (and wallets) of conservatives yet again.

[TitanDuckFan]

DP

[TitanDuckFan]

14 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

Homeowners aren’t being forced out. They’re being paid ridiculous amounts of money actually. The people who are being relocated are those in section 8 housing. I’m pretty sure as a proclaimed Libertarian you wouldn’t think that is a bad thing. 

 

Read it again dumbass,...

 

17 hours ago, Number9 said:

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Gentrification, invasion, encroachment, intrusion-there are a variety of words that apply.

 

So, the millennials send in a second group of agents to acquire the land.

They send the police.  They have the citizens arrested and jailed, all legal.  Nashville zip code 37208 have the highest incarcerations rate in the United States.  Nashville?  Yes, Nashville.  The residents of zip code 37208 are being jailed to remove them from their living space.  If you don't sell, you go to jail.  Now it takes some viewing of the big picture to see what's happening, but think about it.  Nashville zip code 37208 has the highest incarceration rate in America.  Chicago?  Detroit?  New Orleans?  MIAMI?  East LA?  Come on now, you tell me how Nashville-It City-#1 city for bachelorette parties has crime on a level to lead America in incarceration?

 

These gentrifiers is some badass MF'ers.

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So, which one of you is wrong?

[Rogue]

https://fox17.com/news/local/study-north-nashville-zip-code-has-highest-incarceration-rate-in-the-country

 

This doesn't mention about gentrification as causing incarcerations.  

 

And no, millennials are not buying the properties and forcing people to move.  Investors are buying the properties, renovating, and selling them.  To mostly millennials, to be sure.  

 

Gentrification does have downsides.  As rent and property taxes go up, the poorer community are forced to flee their homes.  Some end up homeless.  Find any growing city and you'll find a increased homeless rate.  Property taxes go up because the property value increases.  Rent goes up because landlords can get more for rent.  

 

Unfortunately, poorer people are affected the most.  

 

Personally, I think this is larger than just big cities.  For much of the last half of the last century, people moved away from the cities and into suburban rural areas.  This created capital flow into these areas.  Most people still had to drive to the city to work, but old skill sets could not keep up with modern demand. 

 

With the more modern skill sets, usually younger and more educated, are moving back to the urban areas.  Some of them don't drive and don't even care to.  And the capital flows with them....right back into the urban areas.  

 

IMO, this is the cause of middle America feeling "left behind", and the core reason we see populist movements.  The capital is no longer being invested in their areas, and again the poorer people are the ones most effected. 

 

IMO, I don't think cities and towns have done a good job developing a process to help these people find, virtually an entire new life.  As such, if you want to look for some injustice, you should look there.  

 

 

 

[Number9]

I just think incarceration is a morally wrong way to take a neighborhood. 

 

When the Indians sold Manhattan island for $22, I imagine some Indians thought it was okay to hunt there if they needed food.  Off to jail you go.  They were probably shot, but who said "maybe this ain't right."

 

 

[Number9]

5 hours ago, TitanDuckFan said:

And you sir, are in outright denial of something you can apparently no longer ignore, but has been staring you right in the face for some time.

So you're making up a fairy tale about how conservatives can't wait to live in a city with liberal tax policies and social attitudes, and are willing to spend vast amounts of money to do so.

And as a result, you tell a story that makes little sense, of blacks who are suffering at the hands (and wallets) of conservatives yet again.

This is a humanities problem.  As far as I'm concerned everybody of every party should agree.

[No1TitansFan]

7 hours ago, TitanDuckFan said:

And you sir, are in outright denial of something you can apparently no longer ignore, but has been staring you right in the face for some time.

So you're making up a fairy tale about how conservatives can't wait to live in a city with liberal tax policies and social attitudes, and are willing to spend vast amounts of money to do so.

And as a result, you tell a story that makes little sense, of blacks who are suffering at the hands (and wallets) of conservatives yet again.

Municipal elections in Nashville are run on a non partisan basis, candidate are not identified as Republican or Democrat; the winner of the last mayoral election actually ran on a more conservative agenda of keeping money in the local neighborhoods and funding teacher and employee pay raises over big capital projects downtown and won convincingly. 

[ctm]

20 hours ago, Number9 said:

Gentrifiers love living close to downtown.  They are building houses 2-3 stories high all over the city because land cost is so high.  Nashville has become one of the more expensive cities to live in America. One of the most popular areas is called Germantown, Zip Code 37208.  This also used to be one of the poorest zip codes in Nashville.  The word being used to describe it is Gentrification.  Gentrification, invasion, encroachment, intrusion-there are a variety of words that apply.

 

The area has been very popular for a long time, but the newest residents want to eradicate the old residents.  So, they come in and pay what seems like a lot of money to the current residents, some of whom don't understand the implicit value of their homes.  So, they sell and move where the millennials agents tell them.  But everybody doesn't want to move 20-30 miles away from where the millennials want to live.  They like living where they are.  So, the millennials send in a second group of agents to acquire the land.

 

They send the police.  They have the citizens arrested and jailed, all legal.  Nashville zip code 37208 have the highest incarcerations rate in the United States.  Nashville?  Yes, Nashville.  The residents of zip code 37208 are being jailed to remove them from their living space.  If you don't sell, you go to jail.  Now it takes some viewing of the big picture to see what's happening, but think about it.  Nashville zip code 37208 has the highest incarceration rate in America.  Chicago?  Detroit?  New Orleans?  MIAMI?  East LA?  Come on now, you tell me how Nashville-It City-#1 city for bachelorette parties has crime on a level to lead America in incarceration?

 

These gentrifiers is some badass MF'ers.

 

I know, so what it ain't happening to me.  I say it can happen to you.  It can happen to junior who's downstairs 30 years old playing Minecraft.

 

Bullshit

[VaTitan]

8 hours ago, Rogue said:

 

IMO, I don't think cities and towns have done a good job developing a process to help these people find, virtually an entire new life.  As such, if you want to look for some injustice, you should look there.  

 

 

 

 

This is exactly it.  You can't blame the homebuyers for causing this.  Cities/counties have done a horrible job with housing policy, specifically affordable housing, in many major cities.  Add in flat wages for middle / lower middle class, and it's no wonder people are struggling in big cities all over.

 

This issue is bubbling up big time where I live in NVa, just a couple miles from HQ2.  Avg single family home prices have more than doubled in the past year (avg prices were already >700k).  This is entirely based off low inventory and big money investors flooding the market.

 

It's city/county/state govts approving these development projects.  It's their responsibility to ensure affordable housing in included.

[Number9]

1 hour ago, ctm said:

 

Bullshit

I have failed to explain this properly.  I see a neighborhood I grew up in until the age of 14.  I was born in that neighborhood.  We moved out.  I also have owned businesses and rental properties in that neighborhood.  The last one I owned was one of the houses I once live in.  By then I would only go there during the daytime, when necessary.  It's a bad area.

 

I think I posted this before, but I owned two houses inside two blocks of 12-South.  I lived in one and rented the other.  At that time the neighborhood was primarily working class people.  I knew this area was going to be prime property.  At a duplex I owned there was a vacant lot nearby and drug dealers tried over and over to get me to rent to them.  I refused.  Later on after I had a very good anchor tenant renting, they started dealing drugs on the vacant lot next door.

 

I called the police.  I talked to police officers I knew casually.  I called and talked to the councilman of the district.  Each time I was told they would do something.  Nothing was ever done.  The drug dealers burned the stomach of my base tenant's dog and he moved.  Again, nothing was ever done.

 

Fast forward to today, 37208 has the HIGHEST incarceration rate in America.  I think there is a discriminatory difference in the way the law is applied according to the wealth of the residents in the neighborhood.  Now, I'm all for that for me in my neighborhood.  People like these hoodlums are afraid to walk down my street at night.  But I think all people in the city should have the rights of police protection.  If they policed these neighborhood properly, they would not go bad.

 

I will never agree with you that locking up people so other people could move into a neighborhood is right.  This sort of thing is not just happening in 37208.  It's happening in rural areas as well.  The degree is just different.  They are not helping the people falling through the cracks in the counties surrounding Nashville either.  You start to see it when they come get your cousin or son, but the time to act is now.

 

The judicial system should not be a tool of real estate developers.  A line from Woody Guthrie's Pretty Boy Floyd says it best,  "some rob you with a gun and some with a fountain pen."