Eagles give Carson Wentz a 4yr contract extension

[big2033]

2 minutes ago, bizzyeddie said:

he wouldn't.  but you would be making this decision before you get the opportunity to see what he does this year.

it's basically finding a middle ground between paying him 21 mill this year and then having to tag him next year for probably somewhere around 25 mill...or signing him to a big deal based off of maybe just what turned out to be 1 good year mixed back in with a few not so stellar ones.

It's a gamble...on both parties actually.  And the Titans would need to have some confidence in the fact that Mariota is capable of becoming a franchise QB.  If they don't then no...you play this year out and deal with it after.

Fair enough. It's better not to risk anything and just wait though lol.

[bizzyeddie]

18 minutes ago, BudAdams said:

What’s wrong with the Titans since AAS took over?  

I think making Mularkey the Head coach before hiring a GM was an issue.  We saw how that ended up.  And as far as Mariota goes he had to deal with all that shit.

He (if I'm not mistaken) actually stood up for Mularkey.  Gotta suck when you win a playoff game and then you get a new coach...defensive minded one at that...and a whole new staff and system.

[bizzyeddie]

Just now, big2033 said:

Fair enough. It's better not to risk anything and just wait though lol.

I get what you are saying.  I'm trying to leave us fan opinions of Mariota out of it. 

The organization would have to have some faith in Mariota for this to be an option.

for all we know JRob maybe cant wait to draft his QB.

[BudsOilers]

The Mularkey stuff is significantly overblown by folks IMO.  He did a solid job - two winning seasons and a playoff win (granted they lucked out with Indy w/o Luck and Houston losing Watson).  Mularkey also did a better job of protecting MM (at a cost sometimes) and MM's best stretch of football was under that staff.

 

As for the contract, the Titans have played it perfectly.  They exercised the 5th year last season on MM to make this a true prove it year without sinking tens of millions in something nobody is sure on at this point.  They traded for Tannehill on a one year contract as a hedge for if MM is injured or plays poorly.  They invested heavily in upgrading the WR and OL spots. 

 

If Mariota breaks out this year, they can franchise him or work out a long term deal.  If he doesn't, you can reset at the position.  Worst case is that you have Tannehill and a drafted QBOF.

[EagleEye]

30 minutes ago, rns90 said:

Dude wtf?  How have they "treated him wrong"?  Since 2015, they have: invested major resources into the OL, WR, and RB positions.  All to surround Mariota with the pieces needed to succeed.  Mariota's failings are his and his alone; to blame the organization is pretty short sighted.

Funny you left out the coaches/OC parts. 

 

Invested major resources that you speak of...

    OL -  They drafted Poutasi - WTF?  They drafted Conklin.  Meh!   This year...yet to play Saffold.

    WR - They drafted DGB- LOL!  They drafted CD - hurt but played decent, still learning.  Taywan - Meh!  Brought in washed up guys like Andre and Decker -  LOL!  Humphries looks good.

    RB - Murray was good for 1 yr.  Henry has been up and down.  Lewis is so so.

 

Only a hater will say that Mariota's failings are his and his alone.  We know where you stand home boy (big if).

[japan]

1 hour ago, 8MM said:

don't know, don't care.  Marcus has been nothing but classy but Tenn has not.  Any wonder why the Titans have been looked down upon?  It's the way the run the organization. 

Who are you talking about? Oilerman and big are not part of the ‘organization.’

[big2033]

Just now, japan said:

Who are you talking about? Oilerman and big are not part of the ‘organization.’

Little do you know ... 

[bizzyeddie]

55 minutes ago, BudAdams said:

The Mularkey stuff is significantly overblown by folks IMO.  He did a solid job - two winning seasons and a playoff win (granted they lucked out with Indy w/o Luck and Houston losing Watson).  Mularkey also did a better job of protecting MM (at a cost sometimes) and MM's best stretch of football was under that staff.

 

As for the contract, the Titans have played it perfectly.  They exercised the 5th year last season on MM to make this a true prove it year without sinking tens of millions in something nobody is sure on at this point.  They traded for Tannehill on a one year contract as a hedge for if MM is injured or plays poorly.  They invested heavily in upgrading the WR and OL spots. 

 

If Mariota breaks out this year, they can franchise him or work out a long term deal.  If he doesn't, you can reset at the position.  Worst case is that you have Tannehill and a drafted QBOF.

still don't know why everyone thinks that Tannehill will be willing to sign here next year.   He's gonna be looking for the best deal he can get.

and how exactly did the Titans play this perfectly.  They were forced into this situation by Mariota's play and injuries.  Regardless of how this turns out I just don't see it being a perfect ending.  

Either we are tagging Mariota...not terrible but also not ideal...or we are cutting him and chucking 5 years down the tube along with the 21 mill we just paid him.

I guess maybe if he pans out to be a franchise QB and we sign him to a big deal and he lives up to it...then yeah...they played it perfectly.

[BudsOilers]

Perfectly in this sense.  Financial and long term commitment.

 

Clearly they are not sold on Mariota.  If so, an extension would have already happened.  

 

They added Tannehill, a similar player, on a one year deal.  If Mariota gets hurt or plays poorly, Tannehill will get a shot.

 

if one of the two plays really well, they can tag them or extend them.  If not, they can draft a QB or sign or trade for one.  

 

As as for Tannehill, he strikes me as an ideal bridge if they go the draft a new QB and jet MM walk.  He’d have a year in the offense.  

 

For a team with real questions at QB, it’s about as good a situation as possible.

 

[wiscotitansfan]

Lol at any idiot who thinks the Titans are too tough on the guy or treated him poorly, how thinned skinned are homers

[bizzyeddie]

25 minutes ago, BudAdams said:

Perfectly in this sense.  Financial and long term commitment.

financially they are paying Mariota a good bit of money and he sucks according to most.

there are no long term commitments and the tag is the only thing they can use to keep one of these 2 QBs.

I will be interested to see the scenario where we ended up tagging Tannehill.  Just recently his team paid to get rid of him...and we are gonna tag him.

Does sound like something the titans would do.

I to some extent get you perspective on this but mine is just different.  Seems like a situation that most teams wouldn't want to be in so hard to say we played it perfectly.

 

[Huston]

I think what they Titans decide to do with Henry isn't getting nearly enough run in here. With all the additions I could see both having good seasons and I find it hard to believe they bring both back with new contracts. I think if Marcus isn't resigned then its a good chance Henry stays to help the transition of a new QB.

[BudsOilers]

16 hours ago, bizzyeddie said:

financially they are paying Mariota a good bit of money and he sucks according to most.

there are no long term commitments and the tag is the only thing they can use to keep one of these 2 QBs.

I will be interested to see the scenario where we ended up tagging Tannehill.  Just recently his team paid to get rid of him...and we are gonna tag him.

Does sound like something the titans would do.

I to some extent get you perspective on this but mine is just different.  Seems like a situation that most teams wouldn't want to be in so hard to say we played it perfectly.

 

Given what Robinson had in hand, I think he handled it as perfectly as possible.  Here's my thought process and how I think the Titans viewed it:

 

May 2018 - Mariota regressed in 2017 but at the same time did some good things (playoff win).  We don't think the scheme utilized him to his best and he was coming off a major injury where he missed most of the offseason.  We'll exercise the 5th year option so that the new staff can evaluate him and hopefully 2018 is a breakout year.  Need more proof before a huge commitment.

 

We all know 2018 - injuries, up and down play.  Some good.  Some bad.  A lot like 2017 and he misses the must win game at the end with a potentially severe injury.  MM needs months of rest to heal.

 

March 2019 - The 5th year option is guaranteed for injury until 3/13 when it becomes fully guaranteed.  Completely speculative but would he have passed a physical on March 12?  I really don't think so, which means the $ 20.9 M is guaranteed regardless.  They trade for Tannehill, viewed as comparable in terms of play, as insurance for MM and to push him (be an option if something happens) at a bargain cost as Miami is covering $ 5 M of his $ 7 M salary.

 

2019 season

They have two guys who have flashed ability but have also been inconsistent and injury prone.  Neither is under contract for 2020.  If one blows up and plays really well, regardless of who although I'm sure they'd like it to be Mariota, the Titans can keep them whether it's on a tag (could be transition tag if they want) or a longer term deal.  One figures MM is far more likely to get a tag than Tannehill but the bottom line is that IF one of them has a career year, they can tag them if they don't want a long term commitment. 

 

If the QB situation is still unsettled, then they can re-evaluate the market accordingly via FA, trade, or the draft.  The team around them is built to win now. 

 

 

 

[bizzyeddie]

I think the notion that Tannehill may blow up this year and actually earn the franchise tag is not very likely.  He's not gonna get the reps or the playing time.  His job is to be as ready as he can be if his # is called.  Also not likely we get an extended look at him to actually make such a decision.

Of course anything can happen...MM can get injured again week 1 and its Tannehill from there on out.  Tannehill could pull a Foles and lead us to the SB.

 

Shit...even if Mariota has a good year most people on this board would be hesitant to extend him and probably not really even like tagging him due to the up and down nature of his play.  But yet Tannehill somehow will earn it by playing well.

 

at best Tannehill may be an option for the Titans to try to sign while they try to get a new QB in the draft.  I don't think that is a decision that will be made until after the season is over and they see what other options are available.  At that point Tannehill may be looking for a better chance to be a starter again and not just a stop-gap or mentor which he probably isn't really cut out for.

 

The idea that Tannehill is gonna blow up this year is just optimistic fan talk.  May happen but very un-likely.

Same really goes for Mariota...I do think his bar would be set a bit lower than Tannehills to get some kind of extension or tag.

 

The more we have this conversation the more I think that JRob will lean to drafting a new QB next year.  Not because Mariota sux but the perks that come along with having your QB on that rookie deal and the ability to continue to build a team around him is very intriguing.  Mariota really needs to prove himself.

[BudsOilers]

That's not what I said.   I said from the Titans perspective, they control that decision - extend, tag, or move on.

 

I don't expect either of them to have a monster season or get the franchise tag based on what we have seen to date.  The idea, however, that Tannehill couldn't have a big year but Mariota could, is where we differ.  He's had 3 seasons with 24+ TD's and two seasons with over 4 K passing yards.  It's not Gabbert or Cassel.

 

If Tannehill plays most of the year, regardless of how, that would shift him to be the odds on favorite for 2020 in lieu of Mariota.  In that scenario, they surely would draft a QB to be the long term solution.