HE'S BACK!!

[Number9]

5 hours ago, Rolltide said:

I have no problem with increasing the minimum wage to $9.25. That helps about 5 million people without screwing our whole economy. 

 

Education costs are mainly the fault of the government. When the government is paying for tuition schools will jack up the cost. Demtard ideas of free college for everybody is a slippery slope for disaster. Many dem candidates are even still calling for more pre school education WTF. 

https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/making-college-more-expensive-unintended-consequences-federal-tuition-aid

 

I do know this, a middle class type income can be achieved with 1-2 years of education and training. There are many fields in which one can achieve this. People need to get off their asses and stop looking for a handout. 

 

First, I'm not saying go vote for Bernie.  

 

He happens to at least be talking about education and some other things I think need addressing.  Your article is 14 years old, but I won't say I disagree with it.  I'm more coming from what is the solution, than that government money is the solution.  But the government must play an intelligent part.  I long ago recognized that many government solutions ended up putting people in universities who had no real desire to be there and who did not want to be there.  

 

There are solutions.  I mentioned you and another poster because you guys don't impress me as against the people who are hurting in this country.  But unless we decide to actually do something, it always ends up in token attempts that yield poor results or worse massive government spending.  RX costs.  Drugs are cheaper in Canada, but our government refuses to buy them from Canada.  

 

A lot of the problems with government solution is lobbyists and corruption among our representatives.  Take the CARS bill you referenced.  That looks like it was written by car dealers, imo.  The savings on purchases went into their pockets and not the environment.  Also, the wiki article doesn't give any credit to the windfall the auto industry received and the labor hours produced to to meet the supply of cars when the American auto industry was in big trouble.

 

Real solutions will need people like you and me to come to actual commonsense approaches to problems.  We are not a nation of totally stupid people, we are just letting greed run the government.  That's stupid.  There are solutions to problems that don't require corporations or institutions to make huge profits.  Again, the lower class is increasing and the richest are getting richer.  Lobbyists.

 

We don't elect lobbyist.  There are thousands of them registered as working in Washington.  They have thousands more working under them to get money from the federal budget.  So, every bill created to benefit us has to benefit them.  That's why the government solutions are bad.  Solutions are not bad.  As long as we fight based on R and D the lobbyist is happy.  Did you notice the repub now being accused of being a racist/insensitive at the Cohen hearing is best buds with Cummings?  WTF!  It's because when they get to Washington, they are all buds.  We just see a dog and pony show.  The lobbyists throw lavish parties for them every night, all around town.

 

It's time for US.

 

[LongTimeFan]

@Number9 is spot on about lobbyists. I have mentioned before that if you get the money out of politics, things would change rapidly.

 

The average income in the USA is around $60,000. So 5% is $3,000. I think that is a generous amount that someone is willing to give to a political party annually. Each politician has their own code. Each donation must be by check with the politicians code on it. No code, no donation. Each check must have the persons ssn. No ssn, no donation. All donations go to one office. The office is paid for by taking 1% of the donation. The office logs the donation. The $3000 can be spread among different politicians. But $3000 max annually. If the person wants to give more, than 90% goes to helping vets, or education or something both dems and repubs agree on. No more special dinners, unions, lobbyists, super PACs, etc.

[Denali]

21 hours ago, Rolltide said:

You do not improve a country by catering to the stupid and lazy.

Unfortunately, for the homocrats, that's their entire constituency.

[TitansFan23]

We have a major epidemic with opioids. Yet the drug companies lobby and they’re still pumping out pills to the tune of billions; yet marijuana is illegal. Go figure.

[Number9]

3 hours ago, LongTimeFan said:

@Number9 is spot on about lobbyists. I have mentioned before that if you get the money out of politics, things would change rapidly.

 

The average income in the USA is around $60,000. So 5% is $3,000. I think that is a generous amount that someone is willing to give to a political party annually. Each politician has their own code. Each donation must be by check with the politicians code on it. No code, no donation. Each check must have the persons ssn. No ssn, no donation. All donations go to one office. The office is paid for by taking 1% of the donation. The office logs the donation. The $3000 can be spread among different politicians. But $3000 max annually. If the person wants to give more, than 90% goes to helping vets, or education or something both dems and repubs agree on. No more special dinners, unions, lobbyists, super PACs, etc.

Excellent idea!!

 

Right here, all the sensible R and the sensible D think lobbyists have way too much influence in our government.  If you ask the voting public do they want lobbyists to have influence in government, they would overwhelmingly say NO.  So, why are they still there?  How is that repub and Cummings so chummy?  I guess they don't talk about politics when they hang out together.  I am not against it, just wondering.  

 

Every bill has to pass the house.  When you are out partying in Washington, a friend says they will vote for it if you overcharge the US government on this particular part.  Cool, got another vote.  It goes on and on, so when the government does anything it costs 30%+ more that it should.  

 

I had an operation.  Being self-employed I had to pay out of the ass for insurance.  I got a bill from the hospital(probably a mistake) saying I owed 28K+.  No worries, I have coverage.  I got a letter from my insurance company saying they were going to pay $4,800.  WTF?  I call them, they said that's what they pay for that procedure and don't worry.  I never heard anything else about it.

 

You have to have insurance because hospitals charge so much.  But they don't charge insurance companies what they charge you.  I could have paid $4800. out of my pocket, but the government allows this to go own.  Now you tell me D and R are not against that.  A lot of problems can be corrected if we had people up there working in our best interest.  I am sorry to say that currently, neither D or R is doing that.

 

I'm about done cause I don't want big brother knocking on my door.

 

Make America Great!!

[TitansFan23]

Pharma is more than big brother. They are corporate America that have lobbyists on both sides. They are literally killing us. About the same as tobacco. If you’re weak enough. That being said, addiction is a weakness. Some say it’s a disease. Has to be since we’re OD’ing to it every day. Who’s gonna change that?

[TitansFan23]

20 minutes ago, Number9 said:

Excellent idea!!

 

Right here, all the sensible R and the sensible D think lobbyists have way too much influence in our government.  If you ask the voting public do they want lobbyists to have influence in government, they would overwhelmingly say NO.  So, why are they still there?  How is that repub and Cummings so chummy?  I guess they don't talk about politics when they hang out together.  I am not against it, just wondering.  

 

Every bill has to pass the house.  When you are out partying in Washington, a friend says they will vote for it if you overcharge the US government on this particular part.  Cool, got another vote.  It goes on and on, so when the government does anything it costs 30%+ more that it should.  

 

I had an operation.  Being self-employed I had to pay out of the ass for insurance.  I got a bill from the hospital(probably a mistake) saying I owed 28K+.  No worries, I have coverage.  I got a letter from my insurance company saying they were going to pay $4,800.  WTF?  I call them, they said that's what they pay for that procedure and don't worry.  I never heard anything else about it.

 

You have to have insurance because hospitals charge so much.  But they don't charge insurance companies what they charge you.  I could have paid $4800. out of my pocket, but the government allows this to go own.  Now you tell me D and R are not against that.  A lot of problems can be corrected if we had people up there working in our best interest.  I am sorry to say that currently, neither D or R is doing that.

 

I'm about done cause I don't want big brother knocking on my door.

 

Make America Great!!

Assuming we are Democrats or Republicans.

[Little Earl]

Bernie refuses to criticize Maduro.  That says all you need to know about that clown.

[Btowner]

4 minutes ago, Little Earl said:

Bernie refuses to criticize Maduro.  That says all you need to know about that clown.

So? Trump refuses to criticize Putin, Kim, MBS or even Duterte and you don't have a problem with it. 

[Little Earl]

4 minutes ago, Btowner said:

So? Trump refuses to criticize Putin, Kim, MBS or even Duterte and you don't have a problem with it. 

You mean other than the fact that he has criticized them, then you may have a point.  Try again.

[Number9]

4 hours ago, TitansFan23 said:

Assuming we are Democrats or Republicans.

All the sensible every ideology/religion/race/sex/hell, even our pets.  We are the richest country in the world and we have given our power to people who we did not elect.  

[IsntLifeFunny]

15 minutes ago, Rolltide said:

So you are in favor of a complete government takeover of the drug industry as well as health insurance? The universal bill that Bernie favors makes it illegal to obtain medical care on your own.  

Yes. I am in favor of Medicare for all or at the least a public option. 

[Justafan]

Anyone with a brain would be in favor of any system that doesn't cost twice as much as every other developed nation on earth with a similar level of care.  

[Mythos27]

12 hours ago, Little Earl said:

Bernie refuses to criticize Maduro.  That says all you need to know about that clown.

He's already said that Maduro's election was rigged and that Venezuela needs a free and fair election where the Venezuelan people decide to get rid of him. He's called for internationally supervised elections to ensure that the Venezuelan peoples' will is actually done. That IS the correct remedy here. I disagree with Bernie and certainly think Maduro is already a dictator but I get why he's taking this tact. Labeling a country's leader a dictator is the first step towards military intervention and that's the last thing anyone should want. I agree that Maduro must go but our role isn't to make that happen militarily but rather help the Venezuelan people vote his crooked ass out democratically. I appreciate what Guiado is doing but you aren't the legitimate ruler of a country unless the people vote you in. For now, Bernie is right that he's not legitimate. Only morons who don't understand any nuance think Bernie is pro Maduro. Bernie got shit for being one of the only people to refuse to vote for the Iraq war. Remind me how that turned out.

[Justafan]

11 hours ago, Rolltide said:

Justafan and funny might have missed my basic point. Bernie and other demitards are not just advocating medicare for all. They want to destroy all private heath insurance and make it illegal to get your own insurance. That is in a bill that over 100 democrats currently support. 

 

There are many democrats, many that have been quoted as saying it is immoral to make a profit off of health care. They want to have a full government takeover of medications and delivery also?

 

This is kind of how you would do medicare for all. You take existing insurance as provided by employers. Government, business and non profit and transfer those plans to the state level. That would keep the same insurance carriers. Every 2 years the state renegotiates the rates for premiums. No preexisting conditions. 

 

The state manage the plans and it is funded 70-80% by the federal government and 20-30% by the states. The states along with insurance carriers can try to negotiate lower prices. as far as taxes go you would fund it like medicare but the employers would pay a larger share since they are the ones saving money by not paying for the coverage. 

 

The plan as I just stated would not be supported by the socialist dems. 

The current plan isn't good but neither is the latest proposal by Democrats.  Bernie's plan was actually better and closer to what you're describing with Medicare for all.  This has to be small incremental changes or there's too much risk and not enough support to make it stick.  Plus, I'm not sure anyone but the far left is on board for complete government control of the healthcare without an option for additional private insurance.  That's a step too far for me and I know there's a big group of Americans that fall in that same bandwidth with me.