Jamalisms Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 37 minutes ago, titanruss said: Nah it’s true. The amount my own mother and grandfather were pissed about the situation was directly related to the military, flag and respect. My uncle died in vietnam. They saw that as a spit in his face thing. I vehemently disagree with them and they can’t get past the emotional argument. So so just because logically it doesn’t follow... does not mean that it does not have an impact. People have emotions... even if they dont have real reason. To feel that way. If the response is inappropriate, it is a response based on other factors. Lack of understanding, lack of empathy, ingrained bias - there are many reasons. But if the intent is not there on the part of the actor then the response is not a true result of the action. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Nines Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 I heard that the Eagles meeting was going to be the most NFL players to ever visit the White House and many people are saying it still will be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 1 hour ago, oldschool said: The masses are stupid. It was clear how they would respond to anthem protests. To think otherwise is foolish. This would be a decent point if any of the Eagles players kneeled last year. None of them did! This is all about Trump turning bad PR (only a few Eagles want o meet him) into red meat for his base. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 16 minutes ago, Soxcat said: So intent matters and these people are just stupid? Yet if someone makes an unintended comment taken as racial or anything else negative and it wasn't intended as such they get roasted by the left and media every time. If something is offensive we need to be consistent and agree it is offensive for whatever reason and is thus wrong. I agree. Donald Trump is a racist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzyeddie Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 I have no idea if Trump is a rasicst. I truly believe he does what he must to gain approval from what he sees as his base. This is just another one of his smokescreens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 You know what's hilariously pathetic? Fox news showing pictures of Ertz and others KNEELING IN PRAYER to rile up all the Trumpers. What a disingenuous, disrespectful thing to do. Meanwhile, all the people who watch fox news and have no tether to reality are going to think the Eagles kneeled during the anthem when they didn't. Trump only gives a shit about the anthem thing because he knows it plays with his base; he is grandstanding and making this an issue and more of a national conversation because it gives him attention dollars. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzyeddie Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bink said: Trump only gives a shit about the anthem thing because he knows it plays with his base; he is grandstanding and making this an issue and more of a national conversation because it gives him attention dollars. It takes attention away from the real decisions he is making that impact our country. The actual things that matter. I'm not trying to debate if what he is doing is right or wrong but it's a shady path that he takes. He plays the people of this country to further his agenda. It is pathetic IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Nines Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 29 minutes ago, Soxcat said: Show me the quotes from Trump to justify that comment. "Where is my African American friend", asked by candidate Trump during a rally in an effort to point to him during the rally. It is pretty much a given that if a white person feels the need to go out of his way to point out that he has a black friend, he is probably a racist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Titans279 said: This would be a decent point if any of the Eagles players kneeled last year. None of them did! This is all about Trump turning bad PR (only a few Eagles want o meet him) into red meat for his base. I was speaking in general terms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 41 minutes ago, Bink said: You know what's hilariously pathetic? Fox news showing pictures of Ertz and others KNEELING IN PRAYER to rile up all the Trumpers. What a disingenuous, disrespectful thing to do. Meanwhile, all the people who watch fox news and have no tether to reality are going to think the Eagles kneeled during the anthem when they didn't. Trump only gives a shit about the anthem thing because he knows it plays with his base; he is grandstanding and making this an issue and more of a national conversation because it gives him attention dollars. That's despicable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 2 hours ago, titanruss said: Nah it’s true. The amount my own mother and grandfather were pissed about the situation was directly related to the military, flag and respect. My uncle died in vietnam. They saw that as a spit in his face thing. I vehemently disagree with them and they can’t get past the emotional argument. So so just because logically it doesn’t follow... does not mean that it does not have an impact. People have emotions... even if they dont have real reason. To feel that way. This exactly why I didn't like the idea of protesting during the anthem. It's just too emotional for some people and emotion trumps logic most of the time. I personally don't find the protests offensive and don't think anyone else should but clearly some do and my objections can't change that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Soxcat said: So intent matters and these people are just stupid? Yet if someone makes an unintended comment taken as racial or anything else negative and it wasn't intended as such they get roasted by the left and media every time. If something is offensive we need to be consistent and agree it is offensive for whatever reason and is thus wrong. This offends me. Apologize. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 I'm not kidding. You must apologize. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzyeddie Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: This exactly why I didn't like the idea of protesting during the anthem. It's just too emotional for some people and emotion trumps logic most of the time. I personally don't find the protests offensive and don't think anyone else should but clearly some do and my objections can't change that. unemotional protest...is there such a thing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 3 hours ago, Justafan said: 2 hours ago, Jamalisms said: If the response is inappropriate, it is a response based on other factors. Lack of understanding, lack of empathy, ingrained bias - there are many reasons. But if the intent is not there on the part of the actor then the response is not a true result of the action. dont be so dense. "why is that girl angry at me and crying??? all i did was break up with her!".. "she's so stupid to be doing that and feeling those feelings.. i never cared about her!!" if you protest the flag/anthem you're going to piss off more military people than just about anyone else. no one cares if you think its an "inappropriate response" or not.. its a fact and pure common sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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