TheBukafax Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, Justafan said: No. Mathematics and philosophy are two different subjects. What you are trying to say simply isn’t true. Say it again. It’s still flat wrong. What does it matter if they are 2 different subjects? The core behind both sets of logic, philosophical and mathematical, are the same. Logic is logic. They have different branches but at the most basic they utilize the same principals Stating math and philosophy are different subjects therefore can’t share “logic is flat out wrong lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titansgoodluckcharm Posted June 6, 2018 Report Share Posted June 6, 2018 1 hour ago, newschool said: GESTAPO. Why are we okay with this? Because our dads beat the shit out of us? We have rights, damn it. Great question. Did you see those thugs kneeling though??! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 48 minutes ago, TheBukafax said: What does it matter if they are 2 different subjects? The core behind both sets of logic, philosophical and mathematical, are the same. Logic is logic. They have different branches but at the most basic they utilize the same principals Stating math and philosophy are different subjects therefore can’t share “logic is flat out wrong lol. No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 Guys everyone is entitled to their opinion especially if they aren't being jerks about it. You aren't going to logic @Justafan out of feeling the way that he does, though listening and learning more about why he feels that way might change his mind. @Justafan why are the anthem protests offensive to you personally? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBukafax Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 44 minutes ago, Justafan said: No. Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 Though if there's too many propeller heads for a conversation I won't take offense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 There shouldn’t be any confusion here. The kneelers are saying “we won’t pledge to a flag or to a country that allows this to happen” ... which is saying “we won’t respect this” .... the kneeling is a direct and intentional disrespectful action done in protest. Of course people get get offended by that when more people die for flag/creed than just about any other preventable way. To say say people shouldn’t care if s a disconnect from reality and I seriously question your social intelligence. Should they kneel? .. sure if they want Should we support their right? Yes. Should they act surprised when their actions piss off people? No Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallCrusher Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 Yeah trump really showed those eagles. I'm sure they were devastated and embarrassed. Sons of bitches. MAGA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 Eagles disinvited Trump from Super Bowl celebration Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiscotitansfan Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 7 hours ago, patsplat said: Once the discourse is exclusively about the tactic and not the issues it's time to choose a different tactic. This was my problem from the start, very little conversation about the issue has actually happened. Much more than than what would have happened if there was nothing done of course but the main point being discussed has never been about police brutality. The stupid shit Kaep has said over the years and him purposely being offensive (the shit he has said outside of this specific tactic) are so dumb, there's no way people thought from the start that this wouldn't escalate to something completely unrelated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denali Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 10 hours ago, Titansgoodluckcharm said: I love how he repeatedly holds up a poster that reads "YOU AREN'T LISTENING", even though he is refusing to speak. Good lord, what a fucking dumbass! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 18 hours ago, CreepingDeath said: Oooh score!! You got me! Stealing money is the same as getting pissed off at others in how they react to a symbol that has zero bearing on other people. Totally the same exact thing! I feel enlightened now. money is a social construct you agreed to participate in to say that this made up thing has value. flags are symbols - social constructs agreed by certain people to have a value. just because you agree with one and not the other doesnt make you logically right,... it makes you close minded and ignorant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 10 hours ago, TheBukafax said: Yes. No. Mathematics is the theory of natural numbers. It could be classified as a type of logic but it isn't logic and the fact that you keep trying to say they are the same thing is just plain wrong. Logic is simply reasoning or a system of reasoning. There are literally hundreds of different lines of reasoning that have been developed over the millennia and there has never been a universal set that is considered right while all others are considered wrong. You're trying to argue that mathematics can answer questions like "who am I" or "why do ethics matter". What you're saying doesn't even make any sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBukafax Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, Justafan said: No. Mathematics is the theory of natural numbers. It could be classified as a type of logic but it isn't logic and the fact that you keep trying to say they are the same thing is just plain wrong. Logic is simply reasoning or a system of reasoning. There are literally hundreds of different lines of reasoning that have been developed over the millennia and there has never been a universal set that is considered right while all others are considered wrong. You're trying to argue that mathematics can answer questions like "who am I" or "why do ethics matter". What you're saying doesn't even make any sense. I’m not trying to argue that mathematical logic can answer philosophical logic. I’m saying they both utilize the same core. They are two different languages but have the same core logical systems. First predicate Logic for example is used in both mathematical and philosophical logic systems. Heres a book to read if you want to see the similarities and differences. https://muse.jhu.edu/book/36676 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted June 7, 2018 Report Share Posted June 7, 2018 The guy wore socks depicting police officers as pigs, a t-shirt praising Fidel Castro, and he made a deliberate attempt to disrespect the flag AFTER he just happened to be benched. Sorry, you're going to have a hard time convincing intelligent Americans that this started as anything more than a selfish, entitled douchebag craving attention. It morphed, and I understand the frustration of players and I'm sympathetic to those in the black and African American communities but that doesn't mean the only way to show your frustration is to disrespect the military. Yes, there are military members that have endorsed this and are completely okay with this. There also thousands who have publicly said this is not okay and they are offended by it. I am telling you that I personally take offense and I know of many others in the military who feel the same way. That doesn't mean I advocate for Trump or that I want police corruption to persist or that I don't think justice reform is needed. I would absolutely support a more fair justice system, I support investing in minority communities and increasing diversity. I also support holding police accountable for their actions. So it's pretty funny to me when people like @Jamalisms tell me that my values are misplaced or that people in here tell me that I'm a closed minded bigot when they assume so much and take no time to understand any position other than their own. A lot of people showed their tale in this thread. Good luck to you all but this type of rhetoric is damaging to the conversation itself and divides us further and damages the cause you support instead of strengthing it. You legitimize men like Trump and the truly racist supporters by lumping everyone who supports the flag into the same category and failing to see this from any other perspective than your own. I thought I could come in here and connect with people on a controversial subject and I can see now that I was wrong. I'm saddened and disappointed by that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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