9 Nines Posted November 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 17 hours ago, Justafan said: No way does Trump go to prison. I just don't see that scenario. I've been wrong before though. Doubtful but could be on table if the proceeding happened after he left office. It is a political process in the end and only one single person could even arrest the President. If crimes were tried and the House impeached, it would be up to the Senate how it proceeded. If the Senate choose to remove him, and the President refused to step down, then the Senate Sergeant-at-Arms could arrest the President. The Sergeant-at-Arms, at the direction of that process, is the only single person who can arrest the President. So pretty limited. On the other hand, if the indictments are adjudicated after a President leaves office, then the normal justice system would have its full and normal reign - ex-presidents have no more protections of the office as far as I can find from researching it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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IsntLifeFunny Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 4 hours ago, 9 Nines said: Doubtful but could be on table if the proceeding happened after he left office. It is a political process in the end and only one single person could even arrest the President. If crimes were tried and the House impeached, it would be up to the Senate how it proceeded. If the Senate choose to remove him, and the President refused to step down, then the Senate Sergeant-at-Arms could arrest the President. The Sergeant-at-Arms, at the direction of that process, is the only single person who can arrest the President. So pretty limited. On the other hand, if the indictments are adjudicated after a President leaves office, then the normal justice system would have its full and normal reign - ex-presidents have no more protections of the office as far as I can find from researching it. I doubt any of this happens, but if there ever was a president who wouldn’t be pardoned by the next guy it’s Trump. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thor Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 16 hours ago, Justafan said: So yes, I will enjoy. Trump has been completely neutralized as an effective power. Whether Russia is true or not, my goal has been accomplished. The Republicans bickering stops them from passing any meaningful legislation on the things I actually care about. Many of the extremists that occupied the white house have now been expelled. The chaos and stupidity is overturning seats at the state level back over to the Dems in record fashion. The midterms almost always turn back to the minority party at least to some degree and it is very very possible the Democrats gain control of both the house and the Senate in 2018 along with a huge number of local seats across the country. Chances are good that Obamacare is now here to stay. If a Dem gains the White House in 3 years then look for it to even expand despite Republicans best efforts to kill it any way they can. Chances are good that Taxes don't get passed either. Tax cuts we can't afford as a nation. Chances are good that a ruling to overturn roe v. wade never makes it to the supreme court. Chances are good that Trump lacks the international goodwill or negotiating power to make sweeping changes to our foreign policy for the worse. This is one area you are making a mistake --- if the Rep's don't pass legislation here the right will know where the problem lies... and it won't be put on Trump or many Rep. in congress--- It will be quite easy to see who is trying to steal the election away from the people that voted Trump into office... Then there will be a second wave just like the first only much more ominous... So imo the dems have backed themselves up against a wall one way or the other... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 1 minute ago, thor said: This is one area you are making a mistake --- if the Rep's don't pass legislation here the right will know where the problem lies... and it won't be put on Trump or many Rep. in congress--- It will be quite easy to see who is trying to steal the election away from the people that voted Trump into office... Then there will be a second wave just like the first only much more ominous... So imo the dems have backed themselves up against a wall one way or the other... What are you talking about???? They have control off ALL THREE LEGISLATIVE BRANCHES. If they can't pass legislation, it's their own fault. Not sure how the hell you've managed to blame it on Democrats and spout some conspiracy theory to boot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, thor said: This is one area you are making a mistake --- if the Rep's don't pass legislation here the right will know where the problem lies... and it won't be put on Trump or many Rep. in congress--- It will be quite easy to see who is trying to steal the election away from the people that voted Trump into office... Then there will be a second wave just like the first only much more ominous... So imo the dems have backed themselves up against a wall one way or the other... Wtf are you talking about? Republicans have full control and are trying to force through a far right agenda and are failing bc of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thor Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 9 minutes ago, reo said: Wtf are you talking about? Republicans have full control and are trying to force through a far right agenda and are failing bc of it. Don't act like an idiot unless you totally are --- which would prove my point as to being led by the nose like other lemmings... I actually don't think you're that naïve reo... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 5 minutes ago, thor said: Don't act like an idiot unless you totally are --- which would prove my point as to being led by the nose like other lemmings... I actually don't think you're that naïve reo... So no actual defense? Just name calling? Par for the course... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thor Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 1 hour ago, reo said: So no actual defense? Just name calling? Par for the course... I guess I was wrong---you are that stupid... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 3 minutes ago, thor said: I guess I was wrong---you are that stupid... And I guess I was right. You've got nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanDuckFan Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 2 hours ago, rns90 said: What are you talking about???? They have control off ALL THREE LEGISLATIVE BRANCHES. I'm tellin' ya,... It just gets better and better. LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 6 hours ago, thor said: This is one area you are making a mistake --- if the Rep's don't pass legislation here the right will know where the problem lies... and it won't be put on Trump or many Rep. in congress--- It will be quite easy to see who is trying to steal the election away from the people that voted Trump into office... Then there will be a second wave just like the first only much more ominous... So imo the dems have backed themselves up against a wall one way or the other... Sure, the base will run with this. The moderates and the independents will not. They turn elections. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzTitan Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 4 hours ago, TitanDuckFan said: I'm tellin' ya,... It just gets better and better. LOL Do they not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanDuckFan Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 5 hours ago, OzTitan said: Do they not? No. To begin with, there are 3 branches of our government, but not all are legislative, and not all three are comprised of elected positions. Only one is the legislative branch. That would be the congress, made up of our Senate and House of Representatives. Much like your parliament. This term the Republicans control that one by virtue of having the majority in both. Although their majority in the Senate is a slim one. The other two are the executive branch (president), and the judicial branch. Which for the moment, consists of president Trump (executive) who ran as a republican, but has very few ties to the mainstream Republican party. The third branch is the judicial branch. The courts, primarily the Supreme Court is thought of in these terms, (but the third branch is actually all federal courts including the circuit and district courts). Which for the most part is supposed to be non-partisan, but SC justices (as well as the others) do get chosen/nominated by presidents and approved (or not) by the Senate, based on their judicial philosophy and views on how the law should be applied. So while there are "liberal" and "conservative" justices, they are held independent of political parties, and are not elected positions. So to say the Republicans control all three branches of government is a stretch to begin with,... But there aren't three "legislative branches" to control. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 31 minutes ago, TitanDuckFan said: No. To begin with, there are 3 branches of our government, but not all are legislative, and not all three are comprised of elected positions. Only one is the legislative branch. That would be the congress, made up of our Senate and House of Representatives. Much like your parliament. This term the Republicans control that one by virtue of having the majority in both. Although their majority in the Senate is a slim one. The other two are the executive branch (president), and the judicial branch. Which for the moment, consists of president Trump (executive) who ran as a republican, but has very few ties to the mainstream Republican party. The third branch is the judicial branch. The courts, primarily the Supreme Court is thought of in these terms, (but the third branch is actually all federal courts including the circuit and district courts). Which for the most part is supposed to be non-partisan, but SC justices (as well as the others) do get chosen/nominated by presidents and approved (or not) by the Senate, based on their judicial philosophy and views on how the law should be applied. So while there are "liberal" and "conservative" justices, they are held independent of political parties, and are not elected positions. So to say the Republicans control all three branches of government is a stretch to begin with,... But there aren't three "legislative branches" to control. You knew what he was saying. Isn't this nitpicking and twisting of words the very thing that conservatives have been complaining about? One of the few legitimate gripes happening in Washington. They have a majority in Congress in both the House and the Senate. They have their guy in the White House. They nominated their guy to the Supreme Court which shifts the balance of power to the conservative side. There is no excuse to not pass their legislation. That is the point that was being made and when you guys resort to this sort of stuff in an effort to derail it without any actual substantive counterargument, you simply strengthen the argument and it looks a lot like small-mindedness and petty revenge. If you have a counterpoint to that, great. If not, maybe this isn't the best tact to make your point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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