TRUMPCARE

[Justafan]

Sorry about the book.

[pat]

Yes, 60% of the population should be sustained by 40% of the producers.  19.8% are btw the ages 0-14 and 13.4% are over 65.  Thus half of that non-profit # are already expected dependents.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_States

Herd immunity is a real thing.  I'll gladly pay for healthcare for the whining boomers, if only they'll shut up.  And if they keep complaining, I'll resume my studies of Tensorflow and never look back.

[Rogue]

Democrats would have a shot at modifying the ACA with moderate republicans in the Senate.  It would never get through he House though.  DOA 

[Justafan]

3 minutes ago, patsplat said:

Yes, 60% of the population should be sustained by 40% of the producers.  19.8% are btw the ages 0-14 and 13.4% are over 65.  Thus half of that non-profit # are already expected dependents.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_States

Herd immunity is a real thing.  I'll gladly pay for healthcare for the whining boomers, if only they'll shut up.  And if they keep complaining, I'll resume my studies of Tensorflow and never look back.

Labor force participation rate only counts adults 18-65.

[Justafan]

4 minutes ago, Rogue said:

Democrats would have a shot at modifying the ACA with moderate republicans in the Senate.  It would never get through he House though.  DOA 

Yup.  This is the crux of the problem.  Extremists have enough control of both parties that nothing can get passed because they sabotage even the efforts of their own party before accepting any compromise.  As frustrations grow, desperation sets in and the tactics become nastier and nastier until you are in a political civil war.  

[Justafan]

16 minutes ago, patsplat said:

Yes, 60% of the population should be sustained by 40% of the producers.  19.8% are btw the ages 0-14 and 13.4% are over 65.  Thus half of that non-profit # are already expected dependents.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_States

Herd immunity is a real thing.  I'll gladly pay for healthcare for the whining boomers, if only they'll shut up.  And if they keep complaining, I'll resume my studies of Tensorflow and never look back.

I recant and apologize.  16 years and older so you're partially correct.  

[Little Earl]

24 minutes ago, Justafan said:

Yup.  This is the crux of the problem.  Extremists have enough control of both parties that nothing can get passed because they sabotage even the efforts of their own party before accepting any compromise.  As frustrations grow, desperation sets in and the tactics become nastier and nastier until you are in a political civil war.  

Kind of why i want nothing to pass until obamacare completely fails.  Then both sides will have no choice but work together and compromise.  It will take an emergency for that to happen.

[Justafan]

2 minutes ago, Little Earl said:

Kind of why i want nothing to pass until obamacare completely fails.  Then both sides will have no choice but work together and compromise.  It will take an emergency for that to happen.

Completely agree.  Forces both sides to come to the table.  Everyone has skin in the game and everyone has something to lose.  It also ensures that something gets passed that won't simply be overturned if the Democrats retake control.  

[No1TitansFan]

Why not appoint a bipartisan commission with Price and reasaonable members from both sides and bring in the AMA and the hospital people (the ones who actually provide care) and let them come up with a solution. One thing that I guarantee will never work, is having one side coming up with a politically palatable plan working in secret. A fair amount of non-participation is also not by choice; older people who find themselves out their good job for whatever reason have to have an immaculate resume and a really desirable skill set or they're stuck doing part time lowering paying contract work or something like Uber as most of corporate America won't touch them.

[Justafan]

Just now, No1TitansFan said:

hy not appoint a bipartisan commission with Price and reasaonable members from both sides and bring in the AMA and the hospital people (the ones who actually provide care) and let them come up with a solution. One thing that I guarantee will never work, is having one side coming up with a politically palatable plan working in secret. A fair amount of non-participation is also not by choice; older people who find themselves out their good job for whatever reason have to have an immaculate resume and a really desirable skill set or they're stuck doing part time lowering paying contract work or something like Uber as most of corporate America won't touch them.

Baby Boomers, more stay at home moms, more kids going to college, and dwindling low skill jobs all account for the decline that is said to have started around year 2000 and will likely continue for several decades regardless of which party has control.

The extremists in both parties won't compromise.  They'll never allow these people to work on something that will actually work.  It's their way or they won't vote for it.  Period.  Look at the GOP situation now.  They have a solution on the table.  The would rather be the guy who betrayed their party than be the guy who voted for the healthcare bill that didn't have everything they wanted in it.  

Dems shouldn't be on a high horse here either because they are just as fractured and there is way too much control of the party by extremists on that side as well who refuse to compromise with the Repubs and care more about delivering a black eye and payback than about what is best for the country.  

[begooode]

37 minutes ago, No1TitansFan said:

Why not appoint a bipartisan commission with Price and reasaonable members from both sides and bring in the AMA and the hospital people (the ones who actually provide care) and let them come up with a solution. 

In this current political environment? A bunch of dedicated to the cause one-termers could get it done, but would it pass leadership of either party right now?

[OILERMAN]

The senate isn't going to use the CBO to judge the new bill, the White House is going to rate it

LOL

[Justafan]

7 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

The senate isn't going to use the CBO to judge the new bill, the White House is going to rate it

LOL

Of course they are.  Can't blame them.  They keep getting eaten alive every time someone runs the numbers.

[Btowner]

2 hours ago, patsplat said:

The main thing wrong with Obamacare was the name.  Change the name and password it again and everybody is happy.

 

 

 

 

[Titans279]

The ACA itself was a bit of a compromise. It's not the bill that the "extremist" Dems would want. Despite the GOP rhetoric for the past 8 years I wouldn't call it an extreme bill. There was not much substantial bipartisan work on the actual bill, but the bill in concept isn't the most liberal option.

Even within the structure of the more moderate bill the things that those on the left would have liked, like the public option, dropped because of the need to compromise with moderate Democrats (who eventually got voted out of jobs) and Independents like Joe Lieberman (who became a Trump supporter).

Those left of center are not going to just stop pushing for access to health care for all.

The failure of the ACA to stick is actually going to embolden those "extremists" on the left because:

A. It didn't work as well as promised.

B. It's not as popular with people as promised.

C. It was constantly attacked as socialist by the GOP (despite being the more moderate plan).

D. The industries Dems worked so hard to get the support of are not doing anything to defend the law. (Dems worked very hard to get insurers/providers on board with the ACA, and they mostly were).

The more extreme Dems will naturally think their ideas are better than the ACA anyway. Now that the more moderate Dem approach has failed, you'll see a renewed vigor in pushing for the more leftwing health care ideas (particularly in 2020...).