Mythos27 Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 Maybe I'm nuts but i don't see the conflict between what McMaster is saying and Trump's tweet. It seems to me that Trump is saying that he only discussed issues that both parties were already aware of, not the classified/sensitive info he's being accused of disclosing. McMaster's "it didn't happen" seems to refer to the classified info, not the convo in general. What am i missing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakingeek Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 11 hours ago, Titans279 said: Very weird situation. He says "the story is false" but the things he specifies after that (sources, methods, military ops) are not claimed in the WP article... also this... If Trump told McMaster "Get out there and tell them this is fake news" he would have no choice but to do so or resign.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, freakingeek said: If Trump told McMaster "Get out there and tell them this is fake news" he would have no choice but to do so or resign.. trying to make mcmasters look weak? nah... hes just an idiot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 14 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: Maybe I'm nuts but i don't see the conflict between what McMaster is saying and Trump's tweet. It seems to me that Trump is saying that he only discussed issues that both parties were already aware of, not the classified/sensitive info he's being accused of disclosing. McMaster's "it didn't happen" seems to refer to the classified info, not the convo in general. What am i missing? Some people are trans or even both male and female, technically, but when someone shows you their big round breasts, there's no reason to truly doubt it's a woman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stranger Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 21 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: Maybe I'm nuts but i don't see the conflict between what McMaster is saying and Trump's tweet. It seems to me that Trump is saying that he only discussed issues that both parties were already aware of, not the classified/sensitive info he's being accused of disclosing. McMaster's "it didn't happen" seems to refer to the classified info, not the convo in general. What am i missing? McMaster's statement: The story that came out tonight, as reported, is false. At no time were intelligence sources or methods discussed. Washington Post didn't report that sources or methods were discussed. They reported that he revealed highly classified information to the Russians. McMaster is denying the validity of something that wasn't claimed. It's weasel wording. As President, Trump can share that information if he wishes, and he touted as much with his Tweets this morning that he can. If he hadn't disclosed classified information, there'd be no need to remind everyone that he did and legally can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted May 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 My understanding is: WP reports Trump revealed classified info. McMaster then says it's false. Says he didn't reveal sources and methods (never claimed by story). Doesn't specifically rebut the actual story of Trump leaking classified info. (The WP story claims the sources and methods could be figured out by Russia by the details Trump told them, and that it was intel from another country that we didn't have their permission to share) Trump then says he revealed info (doesn't deny he leaked classified information). Says he has the right to. (This is true, Pres can declassify anything he wants. He legally can share anything) IMO there's a reason neither of them address the actual point of the article. Trying to obfuscate... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 12 minutes ago, ben4titans said: He knows who some of the leakers are. McMaster is one. Priebus is another. Again I ask, how did Comey firing not leak? because he didnt tell anyone. it was an emotional reaction firing... just like everything he does. trump is going through the menopause you were all worried about with hillary. i dont know why thats confusing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 11 minutes ago, Stranger said: McMaster's statement: The story that came out tonight, as reported, is false. At no time were intelligence sources or methods discussed. Washington Post didn't report that sources or methods were discussed. They reported that he revealed highly classified information to the Russians. McMaster is denying the validity of something that wasn't claimed. It's weasel wording. As President, Trump can share that information if he wishes, and he touted as much with his Tweets this morning that he can. If he hadn't disclosed classified information, there'd be no need to remind everyone that he did and legally can. the problem isnt the legality... its the stupidity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 It is pretty damning that WaPo has such a detailed knowledge of what was said that they were asked not to report it. It's too bad the info is so sensitive because hard details are the only way to defeat the "fake news" narrative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 6 minutes ago, titanruss said: the problem isnt the legality... its the stupidity. yup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mythos27 Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Stranger said: Jesus Christ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 Eventually one of these burnt bridges will result in actual damage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyitsmeallen Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 5 minutes ago, Stranger said: He has had absolutely 0 respect for the worldwide intelligence community since the day he took office. It all started with deciding to skip daily intelligence briefings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 http://theresurgent.com/i-know-one-of-the-sources/ This is apparently a conservative blogger. If these guys start turning on him then he's in trouble. The biggest one is Fox News though. The true Trump loyalists only listen to conservative talk show people and watch Fox News. If those sources keep defending Trump and praising him then they'll only hear the good stuff and the praises which is why his poll numbers with the GOP base is still strong. But if these guys start to see just how serious this is and turn on him then those numbers will start to dip too. Quote I tend to take these stories about the President with a grain of salt. We have seen key details of a number of salacious stories retracted within 48 hours. The media hates the President so much that they’ll run a negative story about him without very much provocation. Anti-Trump sources embedded within the administration in the career civil service, etc. will leak to the press and confirmation bias sets in. What sets this story apart for me, at least, is that I know one of the sources. And the source is solidly supportive of President Trump, or at least has been and was during Campaign 2016. But the President will not take any internal criticism, no matter how politely it is given. He does not want advice, cannot be corrected, and is too insecure to see any constructive feedback as anything other than an attack. So some of the sources are left with no other option but to go to the media, leak the story, and hope that the intense blowback gives the President a swift kick in the butt. Perhaps then he will recognize he screwed up. The President cares vastly more about what the press says than what his advisers say. That is a real problem and one his advisers are having to recognize and use, even if it causes messy stories to get outside the White House perimeter. I am told that what the President did is actually far worse than what is being reported. The President does not seem to realize or appreciate that his bragging can undermine relationships with our allies and with human intelligence sources. He also does not seem to appreciate that his loose lips can get valuable assets in the field killed. You can call these sources disloyal, traitors, or whatever you want. But please ask yourself a question — if the President, through inexperience and ignorance, is jeopardizing our national security and will not take advice or corrective action, what other means are available to get the President to listen and recognize the error of his ways? This is a real problem and I treat this story very seriously because I know just how credible, competent, and serious — as well as seriously pro-Trump, at least one of the sources is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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