IowaOiler Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 When retards like Bruinbills is on your side you pretty much know youre coming off retarded as well. You are saying records matter and the reason why we are not winning is that our roster is complete garbage, didnt you read Silvas article of us having the worst roster in the league? I didnt believe it at the time but I now know this is true how come you dont believe it? Rookie QB have terrible records their first year. There are plenty of the intellectually challenged on your side of the argument as well, so that's a moot point unless you want me to lump you in with those guys. I say records do matter, because that is the ultimate goal. If Andrew Luck had the exact same numbers, yet the Colts were struggling to make the playoffs, do you think he would still be held in the same light? I do not believe Silva is right, as we have several cornerstone players in Casey, Roos/Lewan, Wright, Walker, and (arguably) McCourty. The Jags are far worse off, and that's only in our division. Rookie QBs do have terrible records, but I'm not talking about terrible, I'm talking about if we lose out (which I believe to be highly unlikely). If that were to happen, the reasons wouldn't entirely be on 'the rest of the team.' My argument has always been that if we lose out, Mett regresses to Locker, or Mett gets hurt, the team should bring in somebody to compete for the job next year. I'm not talking about Cutler...but a guy like Moore who might push him, but more than likely fill the solid back-up role. Nobody thinks that Whitehurst is going to push Mett or provide anything other than another high draft choice. The only guys advocating for CW to remain, are those who are afraid someone else might beat Mett out, and if someone is afraid that a retread like Hoyer or Moore would beat out Mett, their confidence in him is severely overhyped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaOiler Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 @Mythos27...while I agree with the overwhelming majority of your post, there are some that call names just because people disagree. Several want Mett to be the unquestioned starter next year after only 4 games, and I find that silly. I now see what many of you were seeing in the preseason, but there are several situations that I've discussed, where the remaining 5 games would play a serious role in that decision. If he continues to progress like he has, I will have no problem with him as starter next year; but that is a big 'if.' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 So you think we have the pieces right now to beat teams like the Steelers, Ravens, Texans and Philly? I dont think we have anythng close to winning against those teams. We give up almost 200 yards on the ground for crying out loud, and its hards to do anything when our own run game is not dominant as the other teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaOiler Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 The team was last converting 3rd downs before Mett(or close to last) was named the starter, there was a 3 game stretch were they converted 5 total 3rd downs in 3 games. Dallas game 2-10 Benglas game 2-12 Colts game 1-9 Jags 3-11 Nothing wrong with cherry-picking stats as long as they support your opinion, I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaOiler Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 So you think we have the pieces right now to beat teams like the Steelers, Ravens, Texans and Philly? I dont think we have anythng close to winning against those teams. We give up almost 200 yards on the ground for crying out loud, and its hards to do anything when our own run game is not dominant as the other teams. Now we are changing the narrative. Originally, you were saying we had the worst roster in the league, now it's a matter of whether we have enough talent to beat playoff teams. I absolutely think we have the talent to beat the Steelers because we almost did. Likewise, we played a real good 1st quarter against the Ravens, and I thought we looked good for stretches against Philly. We have plenty of issues, but I expect a better game this weekend, even with the injuries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Yea pointing out the Titans were last or close to it before Mett was the starter is "cherry picking"... sure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Someone needs to post the five thirty eight article about what matters for rookie QB's and what doesn't matter. For those that don't remember, it's passing yards, games played and TD's (I think) that matter while INT's and win/loss do not matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaOiler Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Yea pointing out the Titans were last or close to it before Mett was the starter is "cherry picking"... sure Pointing out weeks 2,3,4, and 6 is the definition of cherry picking, especially when Mett took-over in week 8. We were close to last, but now we are last. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenIsLegend Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 My argument wasn't that a losing record equates to a shitty QB, it was that at 0-16, the QB will receive much of the blame...but I'm the one misconstruing words? OK. You aren't refuting anything. You are stalking me, hoping that by slowly changing what was originally said, you might gain some sort of credibility. As for name-calling, I have admitted to occasionally using that tactic, but it has been in retort to posters like yourself that use that as their primary weapon against those that disagree. "You don't agree with me, so you're stupid." "You're such an idiot, because someone else agrees with me." "You must be retarded, because I'm awesome and think this." Try, just once, using some logic or reason...or better yet, just stop or put me on ignore. Dude, your original post said qb on 0-16 team is code for "shitty". That's one thing you've backtracked on. You are misconstruing my words to fit a new agenda each post. You're making yourself look like an idiot. Everything ive said in this thread is refuting your argument. I responded to what you said in a thread. That's hardly stalking. You said something ridiculous and I am arguing that you're wrong. Okay, again you're misconstruing. I do not use name calling as my primary weapon. When I debate others, we don't resort to name-calling. We resort to name-calling because that's what YOU like to do. It seems all you care about is getting the last word in and belittling whomever you disagree with. You act like a child and then claim others are acting like children. If I've called you an idiot,it's because of your ridiculous posts. That's a good idea. Probably the best thing you've posted is "put me on ignore". I try not to resort to that, but if I have to, I will. Ive used logic and reasoning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Pointing out weeks 2,3,4, and 6 is the definition of cherry picking, especially when Mett took-over in week 8. We were close to last, but now we are last. Your contention that 3rd downs became a problem after Mett became the starter was false, they were already among the worst, and possibly the worst, I can't find the actual stats for the week of the change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 The best part of the thread is Iowa crying about name calling while he calls posters retarded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nine Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Personally, I'm exceptionally happy with what we've seen from Mett thus far. Sure, we've seen plays here or there where he could have done more or made a better throw....but by and large, he's done far more than one could ask from a rookie QB. What's more, he has done so with an inconsistent-at-best running game, a porous defense, and pass protection that has been marginal at best. The fact is, QB has been the team's most consistently productive position since Mettenberger took over. I just wish we were seeing similar performance out of other position groups. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenIsLegend Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 The best part of the thread is Iowa crying about name calling while he calls posters retarded. This. This. This. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaOiler Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Dude, your original post said qb on 0-16 team is code for "shitty". That's one thing you've backtracked on. You are misconstruing my words to fit a new agenda each post. You're making yourself look like an idiot. Everything ive said in this thread is refuting your argument. I responded to what you said in a thread. That's hardly stalking. You said something ridiculous and I am arguing that you're wrong. Okay, again you're misconstruing. I do not use name calling as my primary weapon. When I debate others, we don't resort to name-calling. We resort to name-calling because that's what YOU like to do. It seems all you care about is getting the last word in and belittling whomever you disagree with. You act like a child and then claim others are acting like children. If I've called you an idiot,it's because of your ridiculous posts. That's a good idea. Probably the best thing you've posted is "put me on ignore". I try not to resort to that, but if I have to, I will. Ive used logic and reasoning. I'm not backtracking on anything...I still believe that at 0-16, the QB is shitty. If a team is 0-16, and a QB is putting up great numbers, what does that most likely mean? Probably that they are getting racked-up in garbage time when the game is essentially over...and that the QB struggled to perform when it mattered. Now, if you are starting that QB in fantasy, then great...but if you are pulling for a team to win, it's shitty. I like to name-call? Why don't you browse back through the thread and discover for yourself where the majority of name-calling is coming from? It isn't me, although I've admittedly used a few. I'm sure you've used what you consider 'logic and reasoning,' which is probably another serious indictment of our public education system. And 0-16 is just 'a losing season?' I assume that is more of your 'logic and reason.' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 If Mett goes 0-16 after taking over in the 8th game, I believe he should be cut. Any QB that can lose more games than he actually plays has serious problems Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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