Superhorn Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 (edited) Agreed. For Christ sake Arizona has to pay like $8M for shitty Carson Palmer. Comparatively, that is middle of the road. I don't think Locker would command quite that much money. Edited July 18, 2014 by Superhorn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted July 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 It's an opportunity cost thing. And, it's an insanely difficult situation for me if I'm the GM of the Bengals. He's just good enough to keep them consistently competitive for as long as he plays. Jeff Fisher competitive. But, between him and the money that AJ Green is about to command...it's the Lions all over again. People want to win now, and Dalton would help with that, but I don't think he'd ever get us to the highest levels. I like the Seahawks method. Build without a QB. And, you're right, you do have to get lucky to an extent in the draft. But, the Seahawks would be really good without Wilson too. I think the same could be said for the 49ers (we saw this pre-Kaep). Build from the inside out. Become excellent at the fundamentals and create an environment where you're a QB away from competing for the whole thing. Now, were my opinion that Dalton could become upper echelon (Brees, Manning, Rodgers, etc), then I would gladly pay him that money. I'd give Wilson a monster contract. I think he's worth it. I'm kind of in the minority, but I love what Webster's doing. HIs approach is the right one, IMO. You'd pay Russell Wilson a monster deal but wouldn't pay someone like Rivers, Big Ben or Romo? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superhorn Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 You'd pay Russell Wilson a monster deal but wouldn't pay someone like Rivers, Big Ben or Romo? Rivers is a tough one for me. It would depend on how big the deal came out to be. I wouldn't pay Big Ben a monster deal. I'd pay Romo at a top 10 level, but not as the #1 guy in the league (which is where his cap number sits next year). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 I don't see a scenario where he commands the same kind of contract that Kaep and Flacco have received. I think it would be far less. There is a large gap between what they got and a "middle of the road contract". Give me an example of a QB making a middle of the road deal. If he signs some cheap deal for a QB it's because he had a pretty mediocre 2014 season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superhorn Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 There is a large gap between what they got and a "middle of the road contract". Give me an example of a QB making a middle of the road deal. If he signs some cheap deal for a QB it's because he had a pretty mediocre 2014 season I think his situation is unique given that he's had so much trouble making it on the field. So, I'm not sure I can give you a good example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted July 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Rivers is a tough one for me. It would depend on how big the deal came out to be. I wouldn't pay Big Ben a monster deal. I'd pay Romo at a top 10 level, but not as the #1 guy in the league (which is where his cap number sits next year). Romo's cap number wasn't big at all the first 4 years of his deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Two thoughts on this from today: 1. If the Titans had Dalton, however average you may think he is, and they traded for a guy with Locker's history, however much you still hold out hope, I have zero doubt every single person would freak out. Every single person... and this belief of mine is unshakable. For whatever reason that means something to me in this analysis. 2. Dalton won't get Flacco money unless he pulls a Flacco and miraculously plays well in some playoff games en route to a fluky Super Bowl title. He'll get QB money, which is always large, but not Flacco money. Soxcat, and Number9 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 I don't see a scenario where he commands the same kind of contract that Kaep and Flacco have received. I think it would be far less. If Locker plays very well this year, though fairly unlikely, we could be shocked how big a contract he could get. The FA QB market is literally barren every year, guys like Fitz are usually the big prize, the decent ones just don't make it to FA. So believe me, if Jake puts up the year Dalton had last year, he'll be awfully close to Flacco money. 26 year old former top 10 picks with awesome athletic ability coming off 4300/32 year's don't hit FA. Ever. No1TitansFan, and OILERMAN 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superhorn Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 If Locker plays very well this year, though fairly unlikely, we could be shocked how big a contract he could get. The FA QB market is literally barren every year, guys like Fitz are usually the big prize, the decent ones just don't make it to FA. So believe me, if Jake puts up the year Dalton had last year, he'll be awfully close to Flacco money. 26 year old former top 10 picks with awesome athletic ability coming off 4300/32 year's don't hit FA. Ever. If Jake Locker puts up one year of Dalton's numbers and gets Flacco money, how much money does Dalton, who's done it for 3 years, get then? I'm not sure Dalton even gets apples=apples Flacco type deal. Is guess it's somewhere between Flacco and Kaep. Speculation among Bengals writers is the $15-17 mm cap range. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superhorn Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Two thoughts on this from today: 1. If the Titans had Dalton, however average you may think he is, and they traded for a guy with Locker's history, however much you still hold out hope, I have zero doubt every single person would freak out. Every single person... and this belief of mine is unshakable. For whatever reason that means something to me in this analysis. 2. Dalton won't get Flacco money unless he pulls a Flacco and miraculously plays well in some playoff games en route to a fluky Super Bowl title. He'll get QB money, which is always large, but not Flacco money. Go check out Cincyjungle.com. That fan base is more divided about Dalton and the pending contract than you might expect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Go check out Cincyjungle.com. That fan base is more divided about Dalton and the pending contract than you might expect. In reference to point 2 or 1? I'll definitely check it out if you think there's evidence that they'd be so divided as to value Jake more. If it's about contract value, I'll still check it out but won't believe any of them expecting Flacco bucks. Then again, QB deals tend to surprise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted July 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Someone go create an account at cincyjungle.com Post this same question in reverse and ask them if they would trade away Dalton for Locker. Come back here and post the link so us "yes" voters can laugh our asses off. OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superhorn Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Go check out Cincyjungle.com. That fan base is more divided about Dalton and the pending contract than you might expect. Both, I guess. More in general that the fanbase isn't universally sold on him as the long term future. Don't mean as it relates to the trade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superhorn Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Someone go create an account at cincyjungle.com Post this same question in reverse and ask them if they would trade away Dalton for Locker. Come back here and post the link so us "yes" voters can laugh our asses off. So we're clear, I'm not saying they would. But, there's definitely a contingency there that wants to release Dalton after this year and move on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiscotitansfan Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 So we're clear, I'm not saying they would. But, there's definitely a contingency there that wants to release Dalton after this year and move on. If this trade was straight up you do that then (we are changing systems anyway), see how he performs then resign him or release him... which wouldn't be the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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