Dmeade- Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Screw CJ...I'm sick of these me above the team players... Pay me the money... Reifeldt may have screwed this all up, but I don't care, that's still no reason to hang your teammates out to dry...You signed the contract...Get your ass in here and rework the deal... Quit acting like you are "A coach's dream"....you're not.... Yet it's ok for the team to tear up the very same contract and release CJ whenever they please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Yet it's ok for the team to tear up the very same contract and release CJ whenever they please. yep. it's called getting fired. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 I've always liked Ringer. He's a good back up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Ringer has done nothing but look decent in the carries he's gotten. I'm hoping he is used more to spell CJ, if he can be successful in doing so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Screw CJ...I'm sick of these me above the team players... Pay me the money... Reifeldt may have screwed this all up, but I don't care, that's still no reason to hang your teammates out to dry...You signed the contract...Get your ass in here and rework the deal... Quit acting like you are "A coach's dream"....you're not.... I don't mean to hijack this thread and make it about CJ, but here is my take on this (and basically why I'm surprised attitudes like the one above prevail about CJ): We constantly have the mantra "the NFL is a business" crammed down our throats. When Steve McNair and Keith Bulluck were turned away, hey guess what? It's a business. We all understood that. But when CJ refuses to show we forget this concept. We preach things like "responsibility to his teammates" and claim that it is an attitude thing. In reality he is exercising the only negotiating power that he has in order to get a good contract. By showing up he is making a concession to MR. It may not seem like much if he isn't being asked to practice, but his body is the only negotiating tool that he has. It is essentially the commodity being argued over, and even though he is still under contract, he is playing the game by the rules the NFL has created. Holding out against a small market team? I don't blame him. Especially when MR is willing to tell the media that he will pay the guy before he talks to his agent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted August 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 I don't blame CJ in the least. He's smart to get his money now. He could easily continue a downward trend from last season and his value would tank. He could easily get injured. If I was him personally I wouldn't sit foot on a field until I had a new deal. His agent and he know better than anyone how short an NFL RB life span is. At the same time if I were the Titans I wouldn't pay him a dime more than his current contract. I'd go with Ringer and co. and tell him he wasn't getting a new deal. If he wants to sit out fine he'll do it on the Reserve/Did Not Report list and watch the season. BTW, the same people screaming to pay him are the same people that will be calling him a bum when he's getting 10 mill a year and is beat up and not starting caliber anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 BTW, the same people screaming to pay him are the same people that will be calling him a bum when he's getting 10 mill a year and is beat up and not starting caliber anymore. Sure, that's how the NFL works. Pay players ridiculous sums of money if they are good, but renegotiate or cut their asses the moment they are no longer worth it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nine Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 I've long felt that Ringer has been very much underutilized in the Titans offense. If you graded him on all the important attributes for RB's (vision, balance, speed, lateral movement, strength, ball security, durability, versatility) Ringer would earn high marks pretty much across the board; his weakest area (if you can call it that) would be his straight-line speed, which is about average. Personally, I'd love to see a package that put CJ and Ringer on the field together for maybe a half-dozen snaps per game, where CJ could be moved around in a Reggie Bush/Eric Metcalf type of role, while still keeping a viable and effective run threat in the backfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 I really don't have a problem w/ how CJ is handling it but I really have no problem w/ how MR is handling it either. He's let CJ know that he's fully willing to make him the highest paid RB in the league but he's got to show up. He doesn't even have to practice. He's just got to show up and it'll get done. CJ just needs to take that step. We'll call it a step in good faith. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted August 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 Personally, I'd love to see a package that put CJ and Ringer on the field together for maybe a half-dozen snaps per game, where CJ could be moved around in a Reggie Bush/Eric Metcalf type of role, while still keeping a viable and effective run threat in the backfield. I think opposing defenses would love to see this package as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 I really don't have a problem w/ how CJ is handling it but I really have no problem w/ how MR is handling it either. He's let CJ know that he's fully willing to make him the highest paid RB in the league but he's got to show up. He doesn't even have to practice. He's just got to show up and it'll get done. CJ just needs to take that step. We'll call it a step in good faith. I'm starting to believe this is all bulshit. Maybe there isn't an imaginary line in the sand where on one side MR says CJ must be in camp before he makes an offer and the other where CJ says I'm not coming to camp without a deal. I believe the real issue is that the Titans want to pay CJ like a RB and CJ wants to be paid like the top non-QB offensive player in the NFL. If that is the case, I'm 100% behind Reinfeldt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmeade- Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 I don't mean to hijack this thread and make it about CJ, but here is my take on this (and basically why I'm surprised attitudes like the one above prevail about CJ): We constantly have the mantra "the NFL is a business" crammed down our throats. When Steve McNair and Keith Bulluck were turned away, hey guess what? It's a business. We all understood that. But when CJ refuses to show we forget this concept. We preach things like "responsibility to his teammates" and claim that it is an attitude thing. In reality he is exercising the only negotiating power that he has in order to get a good contract. By showing up he is making a concession to MR. It may not seem like much if he isn't being asked to practice, but his body is the only negotiating tool that he has. It is essentially the commodity being argued over, and even though he is still under contract, he is playing the game by the rules the NFL has created. Holding out against a small market team? I don't blame him. Especially when MR is willing to tell the media that he will pay the guy before he talks to his agent. This pretty much sums up exactly like I feel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cenj Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 But, but...I thought the preseason is meaningless? Hilarious that you claim to "expect better" from posters who are optimistic about other players and the team overall because of a single, meaningless preseason game, yet look at Ringer's 3 carries -- that's right, 3 carries -- and say he "could easily be the work horse as a team's primary ball carrier." That some impressive hypocrisy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nine Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 I think opposing defenses would love to see this package as well. Yeah....because opposing teams have handled it so well in the past, right? Off the top of my head, I know of four plays where the Titans have motioned CJ out of the backfield. In one case (vs Texans, 2009) it caused so much confusion that the defense left him completely uncovered for an easy TD. In another case (vs Packers, 2008) they motioned him wide and threw him a bubble screen for a negligible gain. In the other two instances (vs Ravens 2008, vs Texans 2010) the defense overcompensated in an effort to cover CJ, and left gaping holes that other players exploited for 10+ yards. CJ scares the hell out of defenses.....and this fear means they're likely to overreact to anything out of the ordinary, thereby leaving themselves vulnerable in other areas. Personally, I think the Titans should exploit this fear and vulnerability to the greatest extent possible.... or at least until someone figures out how to contain it consistently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 15, 2011 Report Share Posted August 15, 2011 I'm starting to believe this is all bulshit. Maybe there isn't an imaginary line in the sand where on one side MR says CJ must be in camp before he makes an offer and the other where CJ says I'm not coming to camp without a deal. I believe the real issue is that the Titans want to pay CJ like a RB and CJ wants to be paid like the top non-QB offensive player in the NFL. If that is the case, I'm 100% behind Reinfeldt. I can see this point and to an extent I agree with it, but let's remember that Chris Johnson is not negotiating his own contract. If that was the case he would likely be severely under paid. Negotiating his is a responsibility that is his agent's and the GM's. I do happen to believe there is little to no contact over something as arbitrary as CJ not coming to camp. I don't think it would be all over the media if that wasn't the case because it invites unwanted attention--unless you are trying to sway public perception, which is happening here. While I do think it wouldn't hurt if CJ came to camp but didn't practice, I don't think it is necessary at all. A power struggle is happening here, one that has lasted longer than it should yes, but shouldn't surprise anyone. We are a small market team and our FO wants every advantage it can get in negotiations. By preaching that they want CJ in camp to "show his teammates he is committed" they are sending the statement that he alone is acting outside of good faith. As mentioned above, I doubt this is the case, yet it is impossible for CJ to articulate this without looking like the bad guy. Honestly we all know that he likely (I don't know the guy personally) isn't articulate enough to defend his position in the media. Like I said before, he is playing his only card and we shouldn't totally vilify him for it. Truthfully, all it should take to negotiate in 2011 are two willing parties and two I-Phones with face-time or laptops with Skype. MR and his agent can literally communicate with each other "face to face" from their own homes, and it is their job to do so. Yet they aren't doing it, so Chris isn't "doing his job" so he can insure that he capitalizes on what is his best chance for a good contract. Something everyone agrees he has earned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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