Rooney Rule

[wiscotitansfan]

Probably, but that's why I disagree with it so strongly. You don't see any other sport's rules like this being so public. You would never see a headline at University of XXXX talking about affirmative action on their own front page.

[Guest]

I don't think the Rooney Rule gives an advantage to less qualified candidates. I also don't think it makes much of a difference in the grand scheme of who gets hired. In all likelihood it's nothing more than a dog and pony show.

The post you quoted had nothing to do with the Rooney Rule. Forcing teams to consider a minority hire is a whole different issue than forcing them to actually hire someone less qualified.

My comment about Khan hiring a white coach was a joke. Obviously the minority owner hiring a white coach isn't racist.

I got that it was a joke, I'm critiquing the joke itself. I think what I disagree with is that it is more than dog and pony and "forcing them to hire someone less qualified." I think I was responding to the implications of that.

Clarity received, thanks.

[Guest]

I would be hesitant to pursue this line of thinking. I've studied a bit of post-colonial literature, and history does have a monumental effect on our current society, especially our history as both a colony and colonizer. I think, there's this really profound cultural disconnect between America and "Native America," and when I think you look at this systematic eradication of an entire culture, and how the most visible preservation of Native American culture in this country is that one of our sports teams has a racial slur for it's mascot that is basically the equivalent of having a football team named the "Kentucky Niggers"

I think that absolutely has relevance on society today as do all of these things, and this is a culture that you and I, all of us are complicit in.

Check this badass moment from Marlon Brando that inspired Neil Young's song "Pocahontas"

Let me put it another way. The way the country was founded has not shaped racial relations in the United States. That is the result of a far more ingrained school of thought regarding human nature. I will say that the Redskins nickname is horrific and considering the politically correct age we live in, it still surprises me it hasn't been changed.

[Guest]

You stated I was, "...lamenting on an event that occurred nearly 300 years ago and has no bearing on society today..." Since we were discussing "race" and racism in the form of institutional racism, which is a term you despise, then you certainly implied that "race" is not an issue. And then you called me a name.

That's a sign of privilege - lie, lie again, lie some more, and if that doesn't work divert all attention to health and then lie again.

By the way, if were speaking personal identification as it pertains to race/ethnicity...I'm Italian. So your angry at the world comments don't apply. I'm sure you assumed you were conversing with a "black" person - oops.

Enjoy your privilege

I will. Enjoy your food stamps.

[Guest]

I will say that the Redskins nickname is horrific and considering the politically correct age we live in, it still surprises me it hasn't been changed.

Me too. I was actually at a sports journalism panel at the University of Maryland featuring Scott Van Pelt, Tony Kornheiser (who was replacing Wilbon), and Kevin Blackistone among others. Dan Snyder actually showed up and participated in the panel. Of course, this was just after Vick and the Eagles blew out Washington on the field so there was some really hilarious comments from that event. But the young lady who was the president of the Native American student association very diplomatically brought up the issue and invited Snyder back to campus for an event and he totally skirted the issue.

The best thing about the panel, though, was that Maury Povich was the moderator--which was a terrible idea because he is completely incapable of moderating anything. He played to the crowd and was more like an instigator. It was awesome.

[TitanCard]

The biggest way I assume to put more minorities into the NFL coaching ranks would be to have more minority college head coaches. It will all take time, creating a finable rule overnight to force teams to interview minorities just seems inappropriate to me. Especially the fact that they are most likely going to be adding more and stricter rules to the RR.

Sorry if I came off as condescending and didn't mean to start a thread that had attacks in it. I just hate how the NFL has to do this solely for PR.

Are you suggesting there should be natural progression between successful "minority" college head coaches that matriculate to the NFL level? If so, the problem with that is the racial disparities at the college level are worse. In 1994 there were 4 "minority" head coaches at the college level. In 2002 that number was...4. In 2008 that number jumped to...5. And now in 2012 that number is...15. There are 125 FBS schools, I think.

Prior to the implementation of the Rooney Rule in 2003 there were a total of 7 "minority" head coaches. So from 1922 to 2003 a total of 81 years there were only 7 head coaches of color. Since it's implementation there have been 13 coaches of color in the past 9 years.

So do you dislike the rule because you think it's ineffective? If so, the evidence would suggest the rule has increased the number of "minority" head coaches.

[TitanCard]

I will. Enjoy your food stamps.

I thought privileged folks understood the courtesies. Enjoy living your lies :cmj: :cmj:

[TitanCard]

Me too. I was actually at a sports journalism panel at the University of Maryland featuring Scott Van Pelt, Tony Kornheiser (who was replacing Wilbon), and Kevin Blackistone among others. Dan Snyder actually showed up and participated in the panel. Of course, this was just after Vick and the Eagles blew out Washington on the field so there was some really hilarious comments from that event. But the young lady who was the president of the Native American student association very diplomatically brought up the issue and invited Snyder back to campus for an event and he totally skirted the issue.

The best thing about the panel, though, was that Maury Povich was the moderator--which was a terrible idea because he is completely incapable of moderating anything. He played to the crowd and was more like an instigator. It was awesome.

Did Maury find OldSchool's father?

[wiscotitansfan]

I just stated why I dislike the rule, the NFL parades it around to let America know they are being proactive to being more culturally diverse. It is why their own headline is all about how they are going to implement change because they need more minority coaches.... And the fact that they are going to be more rules (which I guarantee this is true) to make sure this happens... Not saying that the people getting hired don't deserve it, but the NFL doesn't need to be SOOOO public and adamant about it.

[Guest]

I thought privileged folks understood the courtesies. Enjoy living your lies :cmj: :cmj:

Right. You caught me, I really live in a shack somewhere in the Jersey Pine Barrens.

[Btowner]

I wrote a lengthy post and then deleted it. I realized I really don't care and ignorance is bliss to many on this board. I'm not surprised by some of the crap I'm reading in this thread. Race is always an underlying issue among Titans' fans.

To this day, many would take Munchak over a more qualified Lovie Smith, NOD over McNair, Volek over McNair, Rusty Smith over Young, Simms over Young and that's the way it goes for many Titans' fans. Why do so many posters hate Tony Dungy and Mike Tomlin, but have no opinion on Norv Smith or Chan Gailey? Does Wycheck sound any better than Moon on the radio?

So, no complaining. Enjoy your current "articulate" QB, your losing seasons and high draft picks. You earned it.

[OILERMAN]

I don't like Dungy because he's a fraud an had little to do with the Colts winning the SB, I think Tomlin is one of the 2 or 3 best HCs in the league.

A lot of these owners are between 70-90s, of course they are more inclined to be racist/discriminatory

[oldtitanfan]

I would be hesitant to pursue this line of thinking. I've studied a bit of post-colonial literature, and history does have a monumental effect on our current society, especially our history as both a colony and colonizer. I think, there's this really profound cultural disconnect between America and "Native America," and when I think you look at this systematic eradication of an entire culture, and how the most visible preservation of Native American culture in this country is that one of our sports teams has a racial slur for it's mascot that is basically the equivalent of having a football team named the "Kentucky Niggers"

I think that absolutely has relevance on society today as do all of these things, and this is a culture that you and I, all of us are complicit in.

Check this badass moment from Marlon Brando that inspired Neil Young's song "Pocahontas"

http://www.alternati...p?id=0000000068

"Winning his first Oscar in 1959 for On the Waterfront, Marlon Brando accepted the award with humility, grace and brevity worthy of rousing applause. “It’s a wonderful moment and a rare one,” he said, “and I’m certainly indebted. Thank you.” Fast forward to 1973 when it was pretty much assured that Brando would win the Oscar for The Godfather, and he pulled off the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QUacU0I4yU. Instead of attending the ceremony, Brando sent Sacheen Littlefeather, supposedly as a representative of the Apache tribe, to read a prepared statement about Hollywood’s negative treatment of Native Americans. There were probably a few Italians in the house who found this ironic. Littlefeather, whose Apache credentials later came into doubt as she was reported to be a Mexican actress, had been given a 15-page statement by Brando to read, though the booing and catcalling that greeted her speech cut that short."

[IowaOiler]

To this day, many would take Munchak over a more qualified Lovie Smith, NOD over McNair, Volek over McNair, Rusty Smith over Young, Simms over Young and that's the way it goes for many Titans' fans. Why do so many posters hate Tony Dungy and Mike Tomlin, but have no opinion on Norv Smith or Chan Gailey? Does Wycheck sound any better than Moon on the radio?

And some would prefer a Vick, Young, McNabb, and Newton, over more talented white QBs (see: TF). Hell, just this past month we watched a black commentator question RG3's 'blackness' because he is articulate, well-spoken, and (God-forbid) possibly Republican!! The stereotype of the uneducated and inarticulate black athlete is perpetuated by both sides, but only used as ammo for race-baiters needing an excuse for why jails and social programs are riddled with higher percentages of blacks than population demographics would assume.

As a fan, and I would assume as an owner, the goal is to win. If a black HC is the best chance for my team to win, I have a hard time thinking an owner or GM will see his team suffer through mediocrity rather than hire a black coach. The true insult is watching black coaches with no chance of being hired, be flown around the country for interviews as the token black candidate.

[scine09]

IMO it's an insulting rule for African Americans.

A coach should be interviewed because the owner and GM feel that the coach is a qualified candidate, not because of the color of his skin.

It's clear that these interviews are pretty much token. There were 8 openings this year and all 8 went to white guys.

Yeah you have your Mike Tomlin success story but you could also make the argument that Rooney INTENDED to hire a black guy BECAUSE of the rule that he came up with (i.e to justify it).

Outside of Tomlin I don't think that this rule has helped anyone and instead has gone to insult these guys brought in so that a team avoids fines and other penalties for not bringing an African American in for an interview