Thrill Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, Bongo59 said: And RC got rid of Dobbs. Amazing your like of insight. No he would have had to re-sign Dobbs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 Yeah, not to be that guy but the racial undertones of this reporting are jarring. The heavy implication that the league forced the Titans to hire a known-to-be incompetent black candidate is something that people don't say publicly even these days. That shit, aside, it's very clear to me, and has been for a while, that Ran and Vrabel are not on the same page. This won't end well either way and might get ugly in a way it never did with Robinson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvgJoe Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: Yeah, not to be that guy but the racial undertones of this reporting are jarring. The heavy implication that the league forced the Titans to hire a known-to-be incompetent black candidate is something that people don't say publicly even these days. That shit, aside, it's very clear to me, and has been for a while, that Ran and Vrabel are not on the same page. This won't end well either way and might get ugly in a way it never did with Robinson. Exactly right. I admit I’m bias against Vrabel, but with the amount of puff pieces coming out especially from Russini and a Boston guy it’s clear Vrabel is choosing to fight through the media. He’s toxic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: Yeah, not to be that guy but the racial undertones of this reporting are jarring. The heavy implication that the league forced the Titans to hire a known-to-be incompetent black candidate is something that people don't say publicly even these days. That shit, aside, it's very clear to me, and has been for a while, that Ran and Vrabel are not on the same page. This won't end well either way and might get ugly in a way it never did with Robinson. I may be wrong but I think this strays into "sounds pretty racist bro" territory for most people unless he has any evidence to support his claims. Hiding behind "many people are saying" is ridiculous when making such an incendiary claim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 11 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: Yeah, not to be that guy but the racial undertones of this reporting are jarring. The heavy implication that the league forced the Titans to hire a known-to-be incompetent black candidate is something that people don't say publicly even these days. That shit, aside, it's very clear to me, and has been for a while, that Ran and Vrabel are not on the same page. This won't end well either way and might get ugly in a way it never did with Robinson. Why do you think Carthon and Vrabel aren't on the same page? Genuinely asking - I'm not sure one way or the other. Only seen a couple random blurbs from the Patriots side planting seeds in their media market on them having "disagreements" or "poor job performance" which sounds like BS to me. I do tend to think they probably had a disagreement on the Henry trade saga. Could be that not trading Henry was a compromise after Vrabel consented to trade Byard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, AvgJoe said: Exactly right. I admit I’m bias against Vrabel, but with the amount of puff pieces coming out especially from Russini and a Boston guy it’s clear Vrabel is choosing to fight through the media. He’s toxic. Right now, I don't really know that we have enough to point fingers. However, it should have been obvious that these two were not going to see eye to eye given how their interests don't align. Maybe things change if the team starts winning and Vrabel is no longer in survival mode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, AvgJoe said: Exactly right. I admit I’m bias against Vrabel, but with the amount of puff pieces coming out especially from Russini and a Boston guy it’s clear Vrabel is choosing to fight through the media. He’s toxic. We don't know this. It very very possibly could be (and is likely to be, in my estimation) Jonathan and Robert Kraft as the "sources" in Boston Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 This is total and absolute conjecture on my part - but if I were guessing - I would think the source of the Russini piece is Strunk/Nihil and the source of the Boston pieces are the Krafts. They're the ones likely negotiating through the media, not Vrabel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Titans279 said: I may be wrong but I think this strays into "sounds pretty racist bro" territory for most people unless he has any evidence to support his claims. Hiding behind "many people are saying" is ridiculous when making such an incendiary claim. From what I've gathered living up here, Beddard is a solid reporter so I don't doubt someone is sourcing him this stuff. Either way, it most definitely comes off as racist unless it's true. He better be right because I doubt the league will be happy with his insinuation that they're putting their thumb on the scale of NFL hiring practices. I don't think Ran should directly respond to this but if he has any allies in the media, now is the time to start making some calls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, tgo said: Why do you think Carthon and Vrabel aren't on the same page? Genuinely asking - I'm not sure one way or the other. Only seen a couple random blurbs from the Patriots side planting seeds in their media market on them having "disagreements" or "poor job performance" which sounds like BS to me. I don't think they are because they shouldn't be. Their interests are not aligned. One is looking to plan for the future while the other is doing everything he can to win now. This roster is at a crossroads where tough decisions have to be made. I think Ran is willing to make those tough calls whereas Vrabel might want to hold on to the past. Also, some of the local podcast guys have been making noise about a lack of collaboration between the two for a while now. I'm surprised you haven't heard about this stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 It wouldn't shock me at all if this came directly from the Krafts. Make up a bunch of BS to suit their purposes. One thing that seems pretty clear is the Krafts really want Vrabel to be the guy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvgJoe Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 No, I can’t say absolutely it’s Vrabel. BUT, think back to that Ohio State stuff put out right before Robinson got fired. There is precedent for Vrabel talking/fighting/self-promoting through the media. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, tgo said: This is total and absolute conjecture on my part - but if I were guessing - I would think the source of the Russini piece is Strunk/Nihil and the source of the Boston pieces are the Krafts. They're the ones likely negotiating through the media, not Vrabel. Ownership 100% had a hand in that Vrabel article. It wasn't the typically dreaded "vote of confidence" that precedes a firing. It was a full-throated "that's my man" type piece. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvgJoe Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 minute ago, scine09 said: It wouldn't shock me at all if this came directly from the Krafts. Make up a bunch of BS to suit their purposes. One thing that seems pretty clear is the Krafts really want Vrabel to be the guy. Vrabel also is clearly infatuated with NE. And it’s hard to blame him given his history there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted November 27, 2023 Report Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, Mythos27 said: I don't think they are because they shouldn't be. Their interests are no aligned. One is looking to plan for the future while the other is doing everything he can to win now. This roster is at a crossroads where tough decisions have to be made. I think Ran is willing to make those tough calls whereas Vrabel might want to hold on to the past. Also, some of the local podcast guys have been making noise about a lack of collaboration between the two for a while now. I'm surprised you haven't heard about this stuff. I'd be really surprised about any lack of collaboration after Carthon harping about that all offseason and his entire ethos being to get the HC the players he needs/wants for his systems. Most of the local podcast guys are blowhards - I read their blurbs occasionally but don't listen to their broadcasts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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