reo Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 4 hours ago, headhunter said: I say the same about you guys and left wing media. Sure. But you're the one who needs the entire FBI, DOJ, government in general, judges and the entire system to be corrupt to be correct. Or our system is doing it's job which is why Trump and Trump officials have been indicted but no one from the Biden or Obama administrations b/c you've been believing bullshit conspiracy theories w/ 0 evidence and you still believe them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 33 minutes ago, nine said: It’s also interesting that MAGA nation is so thoroughly convinced that Joe Biden was the mastermind behind all of Hunter Biden’s shady dealings despite absolutely zero supporting evidence or witness testimony, They think that Biden is both a criminal mastermind and, at the same time, also totally senile… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 20 minutes ago, Starkiller said: They think that Biden is both a criminal mastermind and, at the same time, also totally senile… Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 2 hours ago, nine said: It’s interesting that so many people in Trump’s direct orbit had their careers ended and even landed in prison for their involvement in covering up something that supposedly didn’t exist . It’s also interesting that MAGA nation is so thoroughly convinced that Joe Biden was the mastermind behind all of Hunter Biden’s shady dealings despite absolutely zero supporting evidence or witness testimony, Yet these same people remain thoroughly convinced of Trump’s innocence despite far more damning evidence showing collusion between Trump campaign officials and various Russian resources and entities. I don't think they believe he's innocent. I think they believe this is politics, which is the origin of the continual whatabouts. You take the next logical step and since he supports their causes they are able to write off any faults. This used to be fairly true. Trump is a completely different ballgame and so is the new age GOP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: I don't think they believe he's innocent. I think they believe this is politics, which is the origin of the continual whatabouts. You take the next logical step and since he supports their causes they are able to write off any faults. This used to be fairly true. Trump is a completely different ballgame and so is the new age GOP. policies are an excuse. The point for them is to be a Republican and they'll stand for or believe whatever it takes for them to be a Republican. Republicans only stand for what their media tell them to stand for. It's why Trump can do whatever and stand for whatever that goes against traditional Republican policies.. but they don't really care about policies. It's a sham. It's a show. They pivot to whatabouts b/c if the other side is bad then their side is good. And that's what's important. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 13 minutes ago, reo said: policies are an excuse. The point for them is to be a Republican and they'll stand for or believe whatever it takes for them to be a Republican. Republicans only stand for what their media tell them to stand for. It's why Trump can do whatever and stand for whatever that goes against traditional Republican policies.. but they don't really care about policies. It's a sham. It's a show. They pivot to whatabouts b/c if the other side is bad then their side is good. And that's what's important. Eh somewhat true. You find me an pro-life/LGBTQ/tax/gun reform Republican and we can talk. Trump has broken some of those molds, but they use Christianity as a shield believing he is delivering those policies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Eh somewhat true. You find me an pro-life/LGBTQ/tax/gun reform Republican and we can talk. Trump has broken some of those molds, but they use Christianity as a shield believing he is delivering those policies. I don't buy it. I think if you fed them enough propaganda they'd flip on abortion, taxes and guns as well. i don't think any of those things are hard wired. I think it's just like everything else. They're Republicans and they'l believe anything they need to believe to remain Republicans. Would it be an easy flip? no, but they'd do it. Could Trump come out tomorrow being pro-choice and everyone would nod and agree? No, it'd take some work and a lot of propaganda but they could do it. It's why he's been able to turn them so against immigration and pro white nationalist. They believe what they're told to believe. They've made them turn against the damn Statue of Liberty. And they've turned a lot against Ukraine and being pro Russia. Pro fucking Russia. It's insane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, reo said: I don't buy it. I think if you fed them enough propaganda they'd flip on abortion, taxes and guns as well. i don't think any of those things are hard wired. I think it's just like everything else. They're Republicans and they'l believe anything they need to believe to remain Republicans. Would it be an easy flip? no, but they'd do it. Could Trump come out tomorrow being pro-choice and everyone would nod and agree? No, it'd take some work and a lot of propaganda but they could do it. It's why he's been able to turn them so against immigration and pro white nationalist. They believe what they're told to believe. They've made them turn against the damn Statue of Liberty. And they've turned a lot against Ukraine and being pro Russia. Pro fucking Russia. It's insane. You're not correct about this. Guns, abortion, and anti-gay is hardwired, this is doubly so in the south where they have their strongholds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 Anti-Russia was always a conservative principle, not an evangelical one. The right is now way more evangelical than it used to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: You're not correct about this. Guns, abortion, and anti-gay is hardwired, this is doubly so in the south where they have their strongholds. I disagree. i know a ton of these guys. it's identity more than substance. You talk to these people about the issues and they largely agree w/ points you bring up. it'd just take reframing of their propaganda and they'd flip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, reo said: I disagree. i know a ton of these guys. it's identity more than substance. You talk to these people about the issues and they largely agree w/ points you bring up. it'd just take reframing of their propaganda and they'd flip. You're literally arguing against reality with a hypothetical. Trump is a different breed of salesman than the usual idiots. You find me a single instance of a Republican being succesful in broadcast or as a politician doing what you're saying and I'll concede that you possibly have a point. Till then you're mixing a lot of things together that don't exist in the real world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 15 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: You're literally arguing against reality with a hypothetical. Trump is a different breed of salesman than the usual idiots. You find me a single instance of a Republican being succesful in broadcast or as a politician doing what you're saying and I'll concede that you possibly have a point. Till then you're mixing a lot of things together that don't exist in the real world. It wasn't Trump. Trump didn't do anything but capitalize on the propaganda and ran w/ it. He did a better job of organizing the propaganda and spin and targeting specific people aggressively w/ specific things. Then he listened to Putin's advice and he lied early and often to turn them against other news sources and to only listen to him and his propaganda sources. What I'm arguing is that what we've seen in them turning against things they've historically believed to support trump and the contradictions we've seen the past few years is the trend and I'm saying that trend extends to all things. The identity politics is what matters to them and Trump successfully redefined that identity on a lot of topics and I'm saying they could do it for more topics if they tried. It just so happens they don't want to on things like abortion, guns, etc. You don't think that if Fox and right wing media started plastering images of Muslims or black people w/ guns all over their TV screens every day, all day w/ endless talk about laws that could prevent it that they wouldn't flip and want gun control in heartbeat? Hell yes they would. Make them afraid of something and then give them something that will stop it and they've believe anything. Far left Dems talk about defunding the police and right wing media plasters it everywhere and the right wing yells to anyone listenting about supporting the police. Trump gets indicted and starts talking about defunding the FBI and the right is immediately like.. yup. sounds good. They believe in being Republicans. What that means is defined by their media. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, reo said: It wasn't Trump. Trump didn't do anything but capitalize on the propaganda and ran w/ it. He did a better job of organizing the propaganda and spin and targeting specific people aggressively w/ specific things. Then he listened to Putin's advice and he lied early and often to turn them against other news sources and to only listen to him and his propaganda sources. What I'm arguing is that what we've seen in them turning against things they've historically believed to support trump and the contradictions we've seen the past few years is the trend and I'm saying that trend extends to all things. The identity politics is what matters to them and Trump successfully redefined that identity on a lot of topics and I'm saying they could do it for more topics if they tried. It just so happens they don't want to on things like abortion, guns, etc. You don't think that if Fox and right wing media started plastering images of Muslims or black people w/ guns all over their TV screens every day, all day w/ endless talk about laws that could prevent it that they wouldn't flip and want gun control in heartbeat? Hell yes they would. Make them afraid of something and then give them something that will stop it and they've believe anything. Far left Dems talk about defunding the police and right wing media plasters it everywhere and the right wing yells to anyone listenting about supporting the police. Trump gets indicted and starts talking about defunding the FBI and the right is immediately like.. yup. sounds good. They believe in being Republicans. What that means is defined by their media. I simply think you're overly broad in your statements. Fox News would crash overnight if they became pro-life and pro-gun reform. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 He said his team had considered but did not ultimately recommend steps that would curtail the FBI’s investigative authorities, including its use of tools under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to eavesdrop on suspected spies or terrorists. Hilarious. Four years of investigation and they come away with two acquittals and one guilty plea sent over by the IG. They didn't even recommend changes to the FISA process. Absolutely nothing here. This report is literally nothing. It says nothing, does nothing, and is nothing even in their own terms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted May 16, 2023 Report Share Posted May 16, 2023 17 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: I simply think you're overly broad in your statements. Fox News would crash overnight if they became pro-life and pro-gun reform. If they did it quickly, yes. Propaganda is a slower process. They could 100% do it though but it'd take more than just Fox to sell it. The right believes what they're told to believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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